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 Topic: Need No4 Mk1 Complete boltPosted: December 21 2020 at 11:33am |
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Bought a 1943 no4 mk1 that did not have the bolt a couple of other items. Found everything else but search as I might no one seems to have a complete bolt. Lots of dealers have the parts. But buy the time you bay all the pieces the price is thru the roof. I need buy one from a member or a recommendation of a source.
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 10:00am |
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I assume that you are aware that a replacement bolt will probably need some adjustment to fit correctly.
You must have contact on both recoil lug's to ensure reliable function and safety. Also; you will need to check the headspace and that requires a bolt head of a suitable size. So buying a complete bolt may not be as economical if you still need a different bolt head. Best option would be to try and find a new old stock bolt body, that way you have the best chance of getting it to fit with a reasonable chance of headspacing correctly; that is providing that your receiver is in sound condition.
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 11:02am |
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Liberty Tree Collectors has NOS bolt bodies as well as complete bolts for the No 4. Like Zed said, it takes proper fitment to the receiver and I also recommend starting with an NOS body, but the options are there.
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 11:09am |
I will PM you shortly. This is the bolt assembly I referenced in my PM to you. It does not have any rifle serial numbers on it and the cocking piece is a war expedited piece with no finger grooves.
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Posted: December 22 2020 at 12:36pm |
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This is the first Enfield I have bought and got it locally. Really got it because it was a really good price. It is not Ethiopian. It is dated 1943. I was not aware of the adjustments I would have to make in the bolt. I have not had that with other bolt action milsurp I have. I really appreciate all the advise. I'll get the best stripped bolt I can find and work from there. Might be a real learning experience. Thanks to all from Texas.
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 1:29pm |
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The first thing to do when fitting a replacement bolt is to check if it seats evenly on the recoil lugs.
For this you need to use "prussian blue" engineers paste. Ideally you need to have even contact on both lugs. The area of contact will generally be a small portion of the lug, due to it's form that allows the camming action during rotation. If one side is not in contact, or has very light contact; you will need to reduce the high side by careful stoning until both side are showing similar contact. The amount of material removed needs to be minimal; hopefully one or two thousandths of an inch should be enough. The are some detailed instructions available for how to do this from articles by Capt Peter Laidler; one time British Armourer. I have fitted a new bolt body to one of my rifles. I purchased a fine jeweller's Arcansas stone for the job. Use a bit of soda can to wrap around the body so as not to mark it with the stone.
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 2:51pm |
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Yes. Definitely not plug and play when you need to have the correctly matched bolt to the reciever. A well versed gunsmith will no doubt have the correct skills necessary to achieve the correct fit and finish of a non matched bolt to a non matched reciever given if that is what is needed.
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 3:34pm |
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..."High tech stuff Vern..kno wot I mean?"
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Loose wimmen tightened here
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 10:27pm |
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Armourer has kindly supplied the article I mentioned in my last post. It's good information so print a copy and read it carefully. If you have any doubt's about doing the work yourself, it would be worth sending it to him. It needs to be right; for reliability and safety. Let us know how you get on withthis project.
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Posted: December 23 2020 at 10:49pm |
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he does indeed and he has sold me more than a rifle or two as well ,
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Posted: December 24 2020 at 5:45am |
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WOW! The British have a strange way of making firearms. THANKS for all the help. If it gets over my head, there is an excellent gunsmith locally that I have known for 40 years as one of my customers. Never had to use him before. This might be the time. Thanks for all the input.
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Posted: December 24 2020 at 5:48am |
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Would be good to have The Armourers post as a sticky in the Gunsmithing forum.
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Posted: December 24 2020 at 8:42am |
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Very good information provided by Peter Laidler first and foremost and a solid nod to The Armourer for sharing with us Mr Laidler's laments on the Enfield rifle and its inner workings.
Would you all agree that the original question in this post was about locating a complete bolt assembly however? We know from experience that the Donor bolt assembly will need to be fitted to the rifle by a competent gunsmith if it is to work without issue. I have a complete bolt assembly that is a perfect candidate for this gentleman and yet with all the information that was hurled at him on just page one of this thread, I do believe that a potential transaction has been lost.
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