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   Checking in from NW Oregon. We found a 1917 Enfield under the sofa of my Uncles cabin. My Aunt gave it to me as I remember it from my childhood. So now I’m wanting to learn more about it.

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sadleupngo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July 10 2022 Location: Oregon USA Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote sadleupngo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: New from Oregon Posted: July 11 2022 at 11:54am
	Checking in from NW Oregon. We found a 1917 Enfield under the sofa of my Uncles cabin. My Aunt gave it to me as I remember it from my childhood. So now I’m wanting to learn more about it.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 11 2022 at 8:45pm
	OK ................ lets see here there are a number of guesses that could be made starting with is it the 'american enfield model 1917' the rear sight will be on the receiver of these , or is it an enfield made in 1917 the rear sight will be mounted on the rear of the barrel on these , there were a number of producers in 1917 of enfield rifles , should be marked on the right wrist or in a couple instances behind the bolt race , good photos will get you good info ,

paddyofurniture Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 26 2011 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 7942	Post Options Post Reply Quote paddyofurniture Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2022 at 5:52am
	Welcome from North Carolina.
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sadleupngo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July 10 2022 Location: Oregon USA Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote sadleupngo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2022 at 6:00pm
	Here are a few pics. I seem to be struggling getting these loaded. I will attempt to load more with full rifle.

sadleupngo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July 10 2022 Location: Oregon USA Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote sadleupngo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2022 at 6:09pm
	Further pics

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Online Points: 16997	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 12 2022 at 8:49pm
	post in the enfield site please we need a revitalization of the once very active forum,

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britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Online Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 6:20am
	It is not a US Model of 1917 Enfield; that is a different rifle. This is a Lee Enfield Mk III* made in 1917. The later designation for the same rifle is a No. 1 Mk III*. Is there a serial number on the bolt handle? I'm not as familiar with the No. 1 rifles, but this one seems to be intact and decent shape. Might be a bit of surface rust that could be attended to.

Shamu Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 20510	Post Options Post Reply Quote Shamu Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 11:15am
	Agreed, also known variously as "SMLE", or "ShtLE". All just different naming conventions, the same rifle though. This is why the naming conventions are so important, even though it sounds petty. The "Rifle No3 Mk1" Is the "American Enfield, aka the P-14/M1917, but the rifle No 1 MkIII is the Lee Enfield SMLE. Confusing, huh?
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britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Online Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 11:28am
	This is similar to the confusion with the No. 4 vs Mk 4 rifle. There is such a thing as a "Mk IV", but not at all the same rifle as the No. 4. There is no such rifle as the "Mk 4". No mater how many times you correct someone who calls it a "Mk 4", they just can't seem to use the right nomenclature. Back to the OP, this is indeed a Short Magazine Lee Enfield, often abbreviated to SMLE. The right side wrist identifies it as a SHTLE.

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	Welcome to the forum. You rifle appears to be one of the "Peddled Scheme" rifles from WWI. These were assembled at either Standard Small Arms or the National Rifle Factory. Other makers have their name on the wrist (Enfield, BSA,LSA etc). As the "Peddled Scheme" rifles are assembled from parts made by various manufacturers; the rifles do not have the manufacturer stamped on the wrist. There will be either SSA or NRF stamped on left rear of the receiver, adjacent to the bolt orifice.
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britrifles Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Online Points: 8404	Post Options Post Reply Quote britrifles Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 12:08pm
	To add a bit more background that may be of interest to the OP, the SMLE was identified as such to distinguish it from its predecessors: the Magazine Lee Enfield (MLE) with a 30 inch barrel and the shorter Lee Enfield Calvary Carbine with a 21 inch barrel. The idea of the SMLE was to produce one rifle of intermediate barrel length (25 inches) that would serve both infantry and cavalry. It was in 1926 the nomenclature changed that introduced the Numbered rifles into British service. The SMLE MK III became the No. 1 Mk III Rifle. .22 Cal conversions of the SMLE MK III became the No. 2 Rifle. The Pattern 1914 Enfield became the No. 3 Rifle. It was the Pattern 14 that became the basis for the US Model of 1917 in Cal. .30-06 used extensively by US troops in WW I; which we initially thought your rifle was. Confusing huh???

The Apprentice Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 10 2021 Location: Umatilla, Orego Status: Offline Points: 217	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Apprentice Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 7:52pm
	Welcome Dean 👏 it’s awesome to have another Oregon member 🤛 I think there is 3 of us listed from the bever state 😀 just like you when I started with a Enfield rifle I knew so very little till I got on this forum and got a great education 😉 many of these members are extremely knowledgeable and very helpful, Your Aunt sure treated you well and it looks like your uncle had great taste in a cabin rifles Welcome to the forum and I look forward to seeing some target shots.
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sadleupngo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July 10 2022 Location: Oregon USA Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote sadleupngo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 8:57pm
	Thank you all for the welcome and the information. I’ve read it all three times over and my head is swimming. I did check the bolt and sure enough there was a stamp. I’ve included picture.

sadleupngo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July 10 2022 Location: Oregon USA Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote sadleupngo Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 13 2022 at 9:06pm
	Underside of bolt stamp. Previous pic of stock number 4580 which matches other numbers.

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