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scottz63
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Yes, that makes sense.
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Shamu
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Yes the "bucket" takes the weight & prevents undue wear & tear on the mounted troopie's shoulder & the sling stops it falling out of the bucket! Makes perfect sense! [edited] Staring hard at it I think I can just see a short piece of sling behind his elbow & another diagonally over the top of his other shoulder? It s parallel to the bandolier strap but slightly higher.I admit I wasn't thinking of that type of "bucket" but the longer scabbard type.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Honkytonk
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I believe you are correct, Shamu.
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The Armourer
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By jove - I think you could be right young fella. Maybe it is a very, very early 'bucket, or maybe a 'wartime expedient' (utilising a horse feed nose-bag ?) but used in that way it would need supporting 'from the shoulder.' The later (?) 'bucket' was more of a scabbard with the rifle fitting inside. The 'bucket' as we know it today certainly predates 1890 (as the Loc shows) Can anyone put a date to the "uniform" or equipment for this picture ? And there is more from the 'archives' The original L-E cavalry carbines did not have a fitting for a
piling swivel. When the SMLE was introduced in 1902 (LoC 11715, 23 dec.1902) it
stated that piling swivels would only be fitted for naval service. LoC 11947,
dated 14 Sept.1903 cancelled the previous para. and re-introduced the SMLE with
modifications, but made the same statement about piling swivels. Loc Para. 12992, 26 Sept. 1905, introduced new swivels which
were 1/8th inch narrower than the previous type "to facilitate the
insertion of the rifle in the new pattern of rifle bucket (LoC 12714). Officers
commanding Cavalry units will demand two of the new pattern swivels per short
rifle on charge, and will return the old pattern swivels to store".
LoC 12714 had introduced the rifle bucket for the SMLE to replace the carbine
bucket. LoC 13509, 2 July 1906, introduced various changes to the SMLE
Mark I and II, stated that "Swivel, piling - (30 July 1905) A piling
swivel is fitted in the nose-cap of all rifles, except for Cavalry." Finally, List of Changes Paragraph 16509, Rifles, short, M.L.E..
dated 2nd july 1913 states: Rifles of the above pattern which are intended to be carried in
the cavalry patten rifle bucket, or in covers on limbers, etc., will be issued
without the piling swivel. Piling swivels in rifles already issued and carried in either of
these methods will be removed and returned to store, the swivel screw being
replaced in the nose-cap of the rifle. The paragraph relating to Swivel, piling in LoC 13509, as
amended by list of Changes, dated 1st May, 1907, and 1st May, 1909, is hereby
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Uniform looks to be Boer War or early WWI, he`s wearing a leather ammo belt pattern 1903? and the bucket look correct for that period.
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Lead from the front; eliminate all obstacles...
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Shamu
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I found several images of this style, some are made of wood, others of leather, & is described as a "Rare Boer War pattern Cavalry Carbine bucket, Carrier." |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Shamu
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Then I found this little gem.look at the slings! (C) Alamy stock. |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Goosic
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A bunch of Breaker Morants
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Honkytonk
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"Elementary, my dear Watson." The Case of the Mysterious Lee Enfield Sling" is solved! Bravo, Baker Street Irregulars!
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The Armourer
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OK Sherlocks - which 'bucket' would have been used by these guys ? |
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A Khyber Pass bucket?
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Shamu
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Why, a "Cow Catcher! What else?
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Honkytonk
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"Charge of the Yak Brigade!"
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The Armourer
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A little information about our 'Yak Rider' in the centre of the picture : Even away from the battlefront, Indian soldiers like Awal Nur made themselves indispensable in more covert operations. Despite having served in Belgium, France and East Africa from 1914 to 1917, and having been wounded thrice, Nur’s most extraordinary exploit was on His Majesty's secret service. Nur was one of 16 Indian soldiers specially chosen to join British officers on a secret Indian Army mission into Soviet Central Asia in early 1918. On the direct orders of London, this mission's goal was to stop Soviet resources in Central Asia from reaching the Germans by railway and the Caspian Sea.
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Now gents lets not forget the ALH and the Camel corps in ww1.
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i love these topics that result in so much info , these always peak my interest as the cavalry carbineswere the ones i missed out on - passed on one when i shouldn't have
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