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skipph
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I own an 1917 Eddystone P-17 mfg of the Enfield rifle in 3006. The rifle has been sporterized, rabbit ears machined off and scope mounts set up. It has a 26" parkerized bbl. I love this rifle but it weighs over 10 lbs all set up and loaded. A bit heavy for hiking the hills in search of that trophy Mulie.
This thing shoots absolutely awsome and is capable of shooting sub moa by someont who can shoot better than me. I consistantly shoot 1" - 1 1/2" 5 shot groups with 165 - 190 gr handloads. BBL has been machined for proper headspace. I would like to complete the sporterizing of this rifle. Would like to obtain a sporter stock for it in a Ramline type or other reasonably priced light weight synthetic stock . It currently has a dense walnut sportstock but has been bastardized, beat up, dinged and its not in the greatest of appearance. Plus the stock adds to its overall weight. Plus I want to adapt it to accept detachable magazines if they are available instead of emptying via the floorplate. Can anyone on this forum refer me to a supplier for a synthetic sporter stock? Would appreciate the help. Thanks, Skip |
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G'Day Skipph welcome aboard !
There used to be a company by the Name of Bell & Carson that did a Synthetic Stock for both the Pat 14 & M17. I've seen a couple over the years. As for a detachable Clip ? Your out of luck unless you had the Rifle modified to accept a Detachable Clip & I reckon that would cost the earth Dave |
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Thanks Dave I appreciate you giving me that lead. Bell and Carlson seems to have the best deal on a synthetic at $150. The rabbit ears having been machine off was left flat across the rear of the receiver. I think I will have it re-machined to take the sides down at 45 * so it will appear better. I am sure that will not weaken the receiver. I am only in this tanker $100. But I think I can make something out of it. I already know it is a SHOOTER!
Thank you, thank you , thank you Skip |
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No Worries Skip! I'm just Glad they still are around . There is one thing with the rifle being a Eddystone ,I know with the Pat14 they were noted for having weakened or even cracked receivers in some of the Production run but I have no idea whether this was ever the case in the M1917's I'd look into it before taking any meat off the receiver. I've heard of late of taking rifles to Metal workshops that do X-raying on welds & having the rifle or parts there of checked ! Where I work these days I take my Rifle Brass every now again & one of the Blokes there x-rays it for me to check the condition of the cases around the Base /Rim to check for impending Head /case separation. It's quite a novelty for me !
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Surely you don't need to xray them Dave??? You're the radioactive source in town. Just use some film hold the case and expose it !!
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Not exactly the type of stock your looking for but try, rifle-stocks.com. This is Richards Microfit Gunstocks. And they make wonderful stocks. Check them out.
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Dave,
I had the barrel machined for proper head space about about 25 yrs ago and don't think I have put a thousand rounds thru it since. Also had the receiver magnafluxed at the time... no flaws! The only problems I have had is a couple head separations with Federal brass which I no longer use. Federal seems to be softer than the Remeington brass I use. I use Remington brass almost exclusively because I perceive it to be the best all round quality and get the best longevity with it. Also I have found that repeated full length sizing will shorten the life/number reloads a case will take regardless of brand. Neck sizing is better, IF YOU ONLY USE THEM IN THE SAME RIFLE !! DIFFERENT RIFLE CHAMBERS HAVE SLIGHT VARIATIONS IN THEM, WHICH DEMANDS THE NEED FOR FULL LENGTH SIZING IF USING DIFFERENT RIFLES! Although it is necessary to anneal the NECK FROM THE SHOULDER UP after about 3 loads. This keeps the neck from splitting from repeated loads. I do that by emersing primer decapped cases before resizing in water sanding upright to the beginning of the shoulder. Leaving the shoulder/neck above the water. Then use a welding torch (propane is not hot enough) with a proper blue flame heat each case till the neck starts to glow red. When you get that then let the case cool while standing. Tipping them over will make them harder and more likely to crack and split. Use a metal pan about the same depth as the case is long. Then I polish them before resizing them. THEN I necksize and trim them to proper length. Neck sizing is done with the full length die as regularly done accept you don't fully insert the case into the resize die. Takes a little practice but anyone experienced in reloading can make the proper adjustment. If you find that you have to full length size them each time, then you will have trouble with longevity and possible case failure after several reloads. Neck sizing gives me about 10 to twelve reloads if I do that from the first time the case is shot Called Bell and Carlson today and they do have a drop in stock that may only need some small amount of inletting to fit the barreled action for it to free float. That stock weighs in at 2.25 lbs is about 1.5 lbs lighter than my old Bishop dense walnut stock. So after the holidays I will definitely order that. There are no other suppliers that I have found that have an offering for the P17 in a synthetic stock. Will also refinish the receiver and bolt in a matte finish and reblue it. When done it should look really good! Skip |
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Oldie,
Does not seem they offer a synthetic stock. But thank you for the referral. Skip |
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Dave,
I found a website for Eddystone rifles that shows the common markings on the rifles. The ser # shows production in Nov 1918. Had a few of the production markings but most were on the bbl side of the action. Marks on action may have been machined off when rabbit ears were taken off. Bolt aqlso had a mark on it so it seems to be all the right parts. Skip |
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Those U.S. M1917 (P17 Enfields) are truly great guns. I have owned a few. As a matter of fact I just sold a sporterized Eddystone chambered in 30-06AI. It shot pretty good. I still have a sporterized Remington M1917. It still is 30-06 but that will have changed by this time next year.
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Hey I'll have you know that Olympic Dam is a Copper Mine & the Gold ,Silver & Uranium that is pulled out of the ground is a by product ! There is no harm full Radiation emitted! We know this for a fact ! This is why we have to shower & change out of Overalls before leaving the mine area ,Stop any form of equipment coming off site unless it's been cleared by the Radiation Testing section & we are having a giant testing pad fitted to monitor vehicles leaving the Lease!!!!!! Nope no risk of Radiation there ! Skip it's good to see somebody else who still anneals their cases,over here it seems to be a dieing art !!!! I used the Pan & water method myself ,Old cases like the 303-25 only last about 4 reloads without splitting if you don't anneal them after forming. I have brass in different Cals that I have had for so long I know each one by name & can identify them in the ark on a moonless night by touch alone ! When I was still shooting for a living if I lost one case in the night I wouldn't sleep for several days pineing for it! Dave |
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The problem with Eddystones is that the barrels were torqued on very tight in the order of 300 pounds. The problem comes when you try to rebarrel them. You have to make a relief cut on the barrel where it meets the reciever to relieve pressure. Many gunsmiths did not know this and tried using a bigger wrench and ended up cracking the receiver. It mostly happened to Eddystone M1917s but it can happen to any flavor of
P-14/M1917.
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skipph
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To all,
Well I got the Bell and Carlson stock today. I need to do a bit of adjustment with a dremel to make fit properly. What a nice stock, I am ecstatic. I dropped the action an barrel in and it fit pretty good but the floor plate needs somr fitting. Man this took about 2 to 2.5 lbs off the thing. I was amazed at the balance it had. Really happy with it. When I finish in a few weeks I will post a pict. Thanks to all for your input and opinions. Well appreciated. Skip |
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These ARE great guns
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charly45
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Heres another they both shoot great
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