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hoadie
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I thought the B-57 was named the HUSTLER.(I believe that would've been the world's 1st supersonic bomber)
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The Hustler was the B-58.
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hoadie
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ah!well there you go..memory gets less as years get more!
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Cookie Monster
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Convair B-58 Hustler, delta wing 4 engine bomber. Around Mach 2 was the top speed. she was powered by 4 General Electric J79's sweet plane, seen one up close when I was at Wright-Paterson AFB doing so training.
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Shamu
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Yup the 57 was the Canberra, the 58 was the Hustler & the 47 was the one we used to mess with in our 57's.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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hoadie
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Are you SURE about that, Cookie? I find that hard to believe.They weren't reaching Mach 2 in any tactical aircraft @ that time-far as I know(although the CF-105 arrow did better than Mach 2,it came a few years after). I'd be interested to see just what her actual performance stats were.Like I said-I've never seen one in person-but always figered it was a cool kite. I don't believe there is any left flying, is there? Hoadie |
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Shamu
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B58 was built for pure speed, so I don't think M2 is out of the question. There was a theory going the rounds at the time that if you were fast enough nothing could get at you so speed was a defense in & of itself.
Link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler Mach 2 indeed, that thing was all engines & fuel! |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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There were discussions at one time of making them into interceptors for mainland defense. High speed and a large weapons load were some of the reasons why. I don't know how manueverable they would have been. Cost to convert and operate them were probably why it never happened.
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hoadie
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True enough about that.From what I've read, the "speed is armour" theory was adapted by the major navies looking to speed up their DREADNAUGHTS & BATTLESHIPS.These craft were mightily armed-but so weighed down with 15" - 20" or more of armour plating, that they were pathetically slow & fuel hungry.Hence..less armour more speed. How that would have worked for the Hustler I can't imagine. I DO know that the delta wing CF-105 was far faster than any tactical aircraft up to that time.(& she only had 2 engines).But she too was a big kite. As I was informed - Uncle Sam designed the SPARROW missle system for the Arrow.(Wow-what a weapons system.Look where that led...sparrow-sea sparrow..aim1 thru 9 etc) Hoadie |
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Check out the Hustler's contemporary, the XB70 Valkerie
Top speed Mach 3+ PS
The Arrow and the F-106 were neck and neck, but the F-102B which became the F-106 flew earlier. The F-102B was a two seater version of the F-102 and while lengthening the airframe they incorporated the wasp waisted figure of the area rule principle into the modification. The increase in top speed due to decreased drag suprized everyone. The area rule principle then became the way to go for supersonic aircraft. A Movie about the Arrow wrongly attributes the area rule principle to the designer of the Arrow. The arrow had many great characteristics, but due to placement of its weapons bay they couldn't use the sturdy fuselage mounted landing gear of other high wing designs, and the roller skate gear they used had ridulously long slim legs that collapsed at the least bump on the runway. This design flaw helped kill the production of the aircraft.
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hoadie
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Long legs, to be sure.But they never had a "failure" with them.(They had one that didn't rotate completley-which left alot of tire on the runway when landing).
What eventually killed her-was the COST.A V Roe Canada was the builder.They killed her on "BLACK FRIDAY" & everyone was immediatly put out of work.(except her top engineers-which went to work for NASA). Ex wife's uncle worked on her.We used to have a display @ CFB Rockcliff in te museum.I worked the ARROW display when I was a Cadet.Didn't have much there:Nose/pedo tube, Clamshell canopy,joystick,nosewheel & tire. Gov't put all of them through the gulliotine immediatly & destroyed the plans. Hoadie |
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I've seen the series of still pictures of this accident, probably taken from a film clip. There was a lot more than rubber left on the tarmac. PS Just found there was a second accident due to the multiple small diameter wheels of the main gear locking up when the pilot used too much brake to correct for a sudden uplift of the rear of the aircraft caused by a droopy elevator. That one left a lot of rubber on the tarmac. To be clear I think the Arrow had great potential. If they had ditched the internal weapons bay and gone with fuselage mounted main gear as more successful high wing jets did the Arrow would have really gone places. The fairly narrow track of body mounted gear has its own drawbacks, but those of the Corsair are extremely tough and suited to carrier landings. A thicker wing would have allowed storage of more robust landing gear, but would have added drag and reduced high speed performance.
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hoadie
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I wasn't aware of the 2nd accident.
I understood that the internal weapon storage was just to increase speed. Eventually, it was the unbelievable cost over=runs that ultimatly killed her. I read somewhere that the engines were sold to the Aussies.They apparently used some in a beefed up version of the Sabre.(But I dont know for SURE if thats the case) Hoadie |
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From:
Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Avon turbojet, 7,500 lbf (33.4 kN)
Maximum speed: 700 mph (1,100 km/h) (605 knots) Powerplant: 1 × General Electric J47-GE-27 turbojet, 5,910 lbf (maximum thrust at 7.950 rpm for five min) (26.3 kN)
Maximum speed: 687 mph (1,106 km/h) at sea level at 14,212 lb (6,447 kg) combat weight (also reported 678 mph (1,091 km/h))
599 at 35,000 feet (11,000 m) at 15,352 pounds (6,960 kg). (597 knots (1,106 km/h) at 6446 m, 1,091 and 964 km/h at 6,960 m.) |
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hoadie
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Thats nice info,smokey.But I didn't see where they may have fit the ORENDA(or was it IROQUOIS?) engine into any of the Aussie frames.
In Canada-they flew alot of sabres..none with the Arrow's powerplant tho. Hoadie |
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