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Winston Churchill
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Col. Sanders you say?
When Col. Sanders died there was a real problem for his family. The family was unsure if he was to be extra crispy or regular. |
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The South wanted to spread slavery to the new western territories, things went downhill from there on out. Slavery was the major motivation for the Confederacy in its pre emptive attacks on Federal installations and the seizing of federal warships with impressment of U S Naval personel who had been born in southern states. Captive USN personel who refused to serve in the Confederate navy were routinely tortured and executed. All that before any attempt by the North to halt further incursions by the Confederacy into the border states of Tennessee and Kentucky. Confederate troops from the state of Georgia occuppied East Tennessee and ambushed Tennessee voters on the way to the polls to force Tennessee into the Confederacy. When finnally forced out of East Tennessee the Confederate troops burned down entire cities and towns and laid waste to farms. Read a few books written on the subject at the time by people who were there, and remember who attacked who first. The Confederacy does not come off smelling like a rose when the facts are presented. Fact is Hollywood did more to spread the bogus myth of Southern Chivalry than to give the facts. an example
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You should read the book The South was Right,.
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Another quote "What the F*** was that bang!"
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hoadie
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Sorry LE..wrong wrong wrong.But thats a debate for another time(Happy to talk bout it on land-line rather than choke-up the forum.Just remember tho- history is written by the victors
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Revisionist history is written by losers. Since the thread deals with historical accounts heres some things to think on.
From Captain Mason's Narrative of the Pequot War.
Best to study primary sources, the accounts of those who were there, rather than cherry picked quotes and idle speculations of those who wrote centuries after an event. Compare Mason's account to that found in Zinn's "the Peoples History of the United States", and you'll get the drift. Another bit to consider is the U S Army oral history project, and how it adheres to rules for gathering eye witness accounts that date back to the ancient Greeks.
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hoadie
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Everyone knows slavery was an issue..& there were slaves in the North, as well.
States rights were the primary driver her-not slavery.Most people at the south hadn't SEEN a slave-let alone afford to own one.(Pretty hard to buy a slave,if you cant buy shoes) From the outset, there was no plan to occupy or destroy the North.Yet thats what the Northern agenda appears to have been. I, too, have an extensive library on the Civil war, & do not-& never have-relied on ONE sole source. There was far more to that unfortunate conflict than grand battles, plans & leaders. I've just started another book(Year of Meteors)Stephen Douglas.A.Lincoln & the election that brought on the war. There were so many issues involved-we could debate for the rest of our lives! Hoadie |
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"..The South wanted to spread slavery to the new western territories, things went downhill from there on out. Slavery was the major motivation for the Confederacy in its pre emptive attacks on Federal ..."
i agree it was an issue , and there were western engagements with regard to territories entering the union as a slave state or a free state , but the souths motivation with regard to slavery was whether the federal government had the authority to dictate to the states , if it had not been an issue of human rights as we now know it - it would have been something else - most likely trade issues/regulations ,
as to re-writing history , we all know who does that - those that want things remembered in a different light than the facts present , today thats mostly done by the commie/libberal/socialist/'progressives' just as its traditionally been done in communist countries all over the globe ,
ill not deny that there were other uses over the centuries , "the maine" sinking and the "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" , but the cambodian truth came out after the CR were driven from power ,
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But it wasn't something else, it was the spreading of the institution of slavery to western territories. States Rights came into it only because the Confederacy wished to claim as a right the continued expansion of the institution of slavery beyond the borders of the existing slave states. While only 20% of the population of the slave states were directly involved in the use of slaves the majority of the remaining white population benefited from the institution as the driving force of the ecomony, Cotten was King in those days. The export of cotten kept the southern aristocracy wealthy and the wealth trickled down. At the lower end of the ladder poor whites had almost no opportunity at all, and were willing cannon fodder easily duped into fighting to preserve the lifestyle of the wealthy who before the war considered poor whites as trash less useful than slaves. The South made many errors, starting a war with not a single cannon factory and having to invade and occupy the border states to obtain iron ore and steel was a major tactical error. Assuming that they could confiscate enough federally owned ships and weapons to fight a war was another. Depending on Europe to buy their cotten at prewar prices when Egyptian cotton was begining to hit the market in quantity was another. Believing they could move enough supplies past a federal blockade to maintain armies in the field was the final miscalculation. The South started the war by confiscation of federally owned property, impressment of USN personel, and firing on a Federal fortification. Had they not done so its highly unlikely that the Federal government would have or could have gone to war with the Confederacy. If someone wishes to open another thread on this subject please do so. I find the pretense of slavery not being the central and driving cause of the Civil War to be a steaming load.
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Let us leave this "War" to be spoken of at another time and place.
Let us return to the time of the Lee Enfeild and the rights of Mankind. |
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ENFIELDS were THERE!!
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You are correct Hoadie!
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