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nickthebear
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Posted: November 13 2013 at 9:41am |
I have a Mk.1 No.5 serial number BJ8312 dated 1948. How unusual is the
1948 date? I read they were only made until 1947.It has all matching
numbers including the magazine. It does have a U-King import stamp.
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Detroit-1
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Can we see a picture?
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A square 10
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yes , need to see photos , good ones , please
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nickthebear
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Sorry I don't have any way to post pictures. I'm not concerned with what it's worth as I don't intend to sell it. I do know that it is a real jungle carbine not a cut down something else. It also has the F.M.P. (Malaysia Police) stamp on the socket. I'm mainly interested in the 1948 date stamp and information on how late the guns were actually made. It's in good condition with a bright shiny bore.
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Bear43
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They were not made past 1947. Was the rifle scrubbed and re-marked? That serial number indicates a BSA of 1946 vintage.
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Zed
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Fazakerley stopped production in 1947; but BSA stopped in 1948. According to Skennerton's "bible"
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Homer
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Seemingly legitimate 1948 dated no5's have been posted before on various forums over the years. They always draw much discussion but I don't recall definitive evidence either way. The BJ prefix in the serial number doesn't sound right to me for late production but I'm not sure. I don't particularly like them and never take much notice.
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i agree , i seem to recall BSA serial prefix ended in BM , and i thought i recalled that to be 47 , ill not say it cannot be , as i learned long ago never to say "never" or "always" when it comes to enfields , but i question this one , is there an FTR marking associated with the 48 date ?
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Target
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The BJ prefix is 1946. I am thinkin the 6 in 1946 on your rifle may of been miss stamped. Hard to tell without photos of some kind. I know the stamping on my BSA carbines are not the greatest so that's what I am leaning towards.
My 1946 has matching numbers, but they restamped the serial on the buttstock cup and got the last digit wrong. I can still see the old serial under the "new" one and the old matches the one on the bolt. This is one of the things that leans me to believe that OP's rifle was accidentally double struck or possibly got stamped with the wrong number. |
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Clay Peters
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It would be nice to see pictures. I have a "jungle" Carbine from 11/45. The date should be stamped on the rifle with the serial number. See my earlier post for location.
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hoadie
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Y'know..theres a couple of "abnormalities" with MY No5, I've been meaning to ask about, myself.
I've had this rifle for a while now(The veteran I bought it from claimed it was the actual rifle he used in the Mau Mau.) I never could / did figure out why the stamps were "scrubbed" off. However-with a magnifier & bright light-they are still legible as: No 5 Mk1 ROF Then off to the right, is a feeble "H".(I say feeble, because these nos were etched in with some sort of electric pencil) Off to the left there appears to be a "7" followed by /46. But, then -under the bolt..in small letters, its clearly stamped "1954". The numbers all match - W8059.There is ONE war ministry stamp on it.But right side of wrist has NOTHING, left wrist only has serial #. VEERRRRY interesting. What knowledge can you impart, O great oracle of the forum? Hoadie |
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Shamu
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You rang?
The later Faz rifles were only marked on the flat left hand side of the reliever, at some point, I forget when, they switched from stamping to the electric pencil marking & some of them were really faint & shallow. I wonder if the serial number on the wrist was somehow done during import or something? Bolt date is interesting though. My '55 Faz No 4 has a bolt stamped with an "F 54" under the handle, but is serial number matched to the '55 rifle. I assume the bolts were dated at manufacture but only numbered to the action when they were grabbed from a big bin o' bolts & fitted to a specific rifle? |
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hoadie
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Well, my bolt matches the number of the rifle..I just cant figger the 1954 UNDER the bolt handle
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5thBatt
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Fazakerley never stamped the numbers on No5s they were all ep'd my 4/44 s/n 524 no prefix is ep'd if your No5 has a stamped s/n then it has been renumbered.
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The Unissued BSA made replacement bolt body I got for my SMLE had 1956 deeply stamped on the underside of the bolt handle root. In the same spot as a PAA number would have been but in a very different font. These were advertised as 1950's production bolt bodies. Armorers could number replacement bolt bodies they had personally fitted to action bodies and field proofed.
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Bear43
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My 1917 BSA SMLE has that same type of stamp, LE Owner. I figured it was a replacement bolt and that was year of production. Only issue is that someone forgot to number the bolt to the rifle, where the serial number would normally be is totally blank.
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