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AmericanSAffer
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Posted: July 03 2014 at 7:14am |
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he!!o again, everyone,
Still on Ebay and found two styles of aperture sights. I would love to put an aperture sight on my SMLE, especially a period correct one. Not to mention they look cool: Westey Patent Parker Hale 5A Mark 7 Again, any one have any experience with these sights? Do they improve accuracy significantly? I have also found this after market aperture sight that swaps out with the windage notch sight: Worth the $20? Thanks again and have a great day! Saffer
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muffett.2008
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The Westley Richards sight currently advertised was designed for the LLE family and is not suited for the SMLE, however the A.G. Parker/Parker Hale 5a sight was designed in 1925 specifically for the SMLE and Sht.LE rifles.
The peep you see advertised is pretty useless, the sight radius being too great, though this type of addition was being made in the early 1900's, rapidly superceded by the rear mounted sights. |
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It depends if you are shooting competitions with your rifle too; could change to the modified class in military rifle shoots.
I don't believe it will make the rifle more accurate, but will make the shooter more accurate! if you know what I mean |
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AmericanSAffer
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Thank you for the insights! The Parker Hale is already breaking my bank ($55 +$30 for shipping!) so I'll see if I don't get lucky someday. I'll just have to practice with the notch sights until then! Thank you again!
Saffer
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bill smith
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i have a different opinion of the aperture sight you found on eBay that fixes to the rear sight ladder. i have two of these sights. one is on an Ishapore .308 and the other is on an Ishapore .303. for me they are both well worth the $20 price. my vision is such that the standard military sight system is a real problem. my eyes just work a lot better with an aperture sight arrangement.
i was skeptical at first for the reason mention above by Muffett. however, in actual service, i found the aperture to work very well. possibly, because Enfields have a lot of different heights of front sights, you may have to change yours out to work with the location of the center of the aperture. but that is a situation you may encounter with the standard military sight system anyway. another thing i like about the sight is the vendor. when i got the sight and i put on my .308, it shot low at 100 yards. i called him and he sent me a different one. he asked me how low i was shooting and he made a new aperture with a re-located opening. it shoots fine now. in the process, he told me that if i was still dissatisfied with the sight that he would refund my money. a very cooperative business man. the kind of person that Oklahoma is famous for. anyhow, i enjoy mine. you might try one and see if you like it. $20 isn't a bank breaker and you will learn something new about apertures located up on the barrel. good luck. |
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I like the rear aperature sight, I think I'll pick one up for myself and try it out. My eyes aren't getting any younger either
But as a note, the Ishapore Enfield 2A1 is NOT .308, it is 7.62 NATO. There is a difference. The 7.62 NATO ballistics are identical to the .308, but the chamber sizes of the firearms are slightly different. The mil-spec 7.62 chambers are slightly larger to account for military needs, so the NATO brass is made thicker at the base to prevent case separation in loose chambered weapons. If you want to shoot .308 in the 2A1 you can, but have a gunsmith check the chamber first to see if it is safe for the .308. My 2A1 is good to go for .308 so I shoot that all the time with no issues at all. I can't answer for any other rifle however.
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Aperture sights are fine in competition, and they can be found in ever increasing states of complexity. It all depends upon the expertise of the firer. For some unexplained reason... in this day and age, everyone tends to worship aperture and optic sights in preference over the time honoured 'iron sights'. Optical sights magnify ones shooting errors. In my experience, a dedicated shooter using iron sights is well capable of hitting a man sized target at 1,000yds. I suppose that like everything else, modern technology is pushing time honoured ways into disuse. Just my two-penneth! |
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Its just that modern people want everything done as a one stop fixes all solution.
I've shot irons on My No4 out to 650 with a great deal of success, but many want that single plane of focus answer. |
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"Aperture" sights in my opinion are iron sights. They have no moving parts and are fixed to the rifle. I use both the blade and aperture sights interchangeably, perhaps it's my military training with the M16 that makes me think that way. Either case, the way I see it is that either one will do, both have their uses. My Arisaka rifles have aperture sights, so does my 1914 Carl Gustafs mauser. From what I can tell, militaries around the world have used both at one time or another.
As far as optics are concerned, I don't use them except on my .22 Marlin. I find, as was stated before, that errors are magnified. Not only that, a good bump and your sights are off, but the only way to tell is by shooting. Then you have the issue of parallax compensation and other sighting tricks. I don't care for any of that. I like fixed sights that stay put no matter what and then I can decide for myself where my aim-points should be. I'm not saying optics are bad, all I'm saying is that I don't use them. |
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Shamu
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I was comparing irons to optics. I agree both aperture & notch & blade are iron sights.
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me too , but these days an un-magnified optic is one for me - i cannot see past 100 yards clearly enough any more ,
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Sarge
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Shoot at BIGGER targets... |
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Or empty the magazine!
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Shamu
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Or both!
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And use a bayonet!
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Oh man! Now that is close!
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