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Shamu
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I'm a HUGE believer in freedoms. That was one reason I came to the USA to live.
However I think there is a point where it has to draw a hard line. The old example of "Not calling movie in a crowded firehouse" springs to mind. For me everyone has the right to freedom of speech, religion & lifestyle. With one huge caveat. So does everyone else. The moment your beliefs tell me I can't have my beliefs the line is crossed & needs to be fixed immediately. There's a basic need in every group to feel superior, or empowered. Imagine if, going into battle the unit's priest/mullah/rabbi or whatever said: "Sorry guys, God/Allah/Yahweh is on the other side today. Good luck anyway." If there is a divine, all powerful being he must be really confused when both sides inform him that he's on their side! |
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thats what is wrong with all the PC moves these days - the tollerant offering tollerance only to those that agree with them , otherwise you are commiting a hate crime ,
in terms of free speech - all here are to have it not just the press or the liberals , even the bigots and intolerant have the right to say what they want -we dont have to listen , these radicals will take it all away if possible we cannot allow that , and to exercise my first amendment right i will add that i am currently ashamed of my countries and this administrations attitude of denial of the truth of these radicals intent and our need to take firm and determined steps to eliminate them , as long as they continue to blur the facts with all their ignorant pacifity we all globally remain targets - only a unified stance by all against this will succeed
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Tony
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History repeats itself yet again. Pre war Gemany the Brownshirts and Hitler youth terrorising the public. Then the invasions and a nasty bitter war to clean up the mess. To prevent war we are going to have to make war. The west is up against a savage enemy and the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them. Close all borders. Intern ALL refugees flatten the place then transport them back to where they came from, give them brushes and dustpans and set them on cleaning up the mess.
This post should stirr up a hornets nest! |
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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)
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Von Gruff
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Von Gruff
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Von Gruff
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LIVE UPDATES: Three Dead including ONE FEMALE SUICIDE BOMBER in ongoing Paris Terror operation -
CONFIRMED: THREE DEAD INC FEMALE W/ SUICIDE BELT. 1X CIVILIAN. THREE MORE ARRESTED. ABDELHAMID ABAAOUD STATUS UNKNOWN. Le Monde and other French media say they have confirmation from police and judicial sources that three of the people targeted in the police operation are dead, including a woman who blew herself up with an explosive belt. It is clear that some major terror plot was afoot. The mastermind and several of his fighters were altogether not too far from the site of the attacks on Friday the 13th. More here: Explosions and Heavy Gunfire in Paris Suburb of Saint-Denis
The police operation in St-Denis is ongoing, but here is what we currently know: (Guardian) - See more at: http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/live-updates-three-dead-including-one-female-suicide-bomber-in-ongoing-paris-terror-operation.html/#sthash.sZxl0reJ.dpuf |
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Von Gruff
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Zed
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Here in Paris we are following this quite closely as you can imagine! Good work by the Police force this morning.
Over 5000 rounds of ammunition fired by the police force! 5 police injured, 2 dead terrorists including the female suicide bomb and I believe 8 people arrested.
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Von Gruff
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It dosent say so Zed, but is this in one of the no go zones they everyone keeps denying??
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Von Gruff
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Zed
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It would be fair to say that Saint Denis is a bit of a rough area! Personally I don't go to the "banlieu" much; as I have no reason to go there. It seems this group was well primed for action and had lots of weapons. So well done to the Police and glad to hear that they are only minor injuries for those 5 police.
I must say that I would be happier living in New Zealand! Having spent a month in the South Island; it is the best place on earth! And a long way from all this crap at the moment! Sad news about Jonah Lomu. A great sportsman and a great human being by all accounts.
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Shamu
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There's also talk of a car with 4 more tagged at the border & a Conex "Seacrate" full of weapons & ammo being interrupted at the docks.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Von Gruff
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Plenty of room for good people here Zed. Plenty of opportunities to exercise a 303 down here in the South. I was pleased to hear that Jonah had had a very fulfilling time at the RWC and to finish it off with a family holiday so at least they will have had that as a final reminder of him. Unlike so many who have been effected by the ongoing evil to hit France.
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Von Gruff
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hoadie
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..as I understand it, a police dog paid the ultimate price in this mornings actions
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"......It seems this group was well primed for action and had lots of weapons. ......."
SO - if i understand right france is one of the european countries with strict gun laws , i know the law abiding follow the rules - ive seen posts on more than one site that acknowledge that , just where do all this itms of firepower come from ? and how is it that these terrorists can posses them in a country with strict laws like this ?
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Tony
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Yeah it did poor thing. The female terrorist blew herself up and the dog
As to where they get the guns from despite strict gun laws that's easy. They're smuggled in either over the border or sent by sea. We had the same problem during the troubles with the IRA, boat loads of the stuff was sent by Lybia. Open borders make it even easier now. |
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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)
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Zed
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Apparently a lot are just driven in from Eastern Europe. Even on the continental coach routes from Serbia etc. With open borders for a lot of Europe, it's not dificult to move it around if you have a supplier!
For us who legally own fire arms, you need your European Firearms Passport for travel! |
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Frenchieboy
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Tony, you know that I am a straight talker so I have no option other than to reply to your thread where you openly admit to trying to stir up a hornets nest.
If you are condoning violence and killing by saying (As you put it) "the only way to stop them is to hunt them down and execute them". Would you be willing to do the executing? and if so would that not just make you just another Jehadi John? Would you like to be put in the same catagory as another Jehadi John?
Plus of course if we all followed the same line of thinking as you then I believe that we would most certainly be seeing World War III pretty quickly - And that is something that I hope I will never have to witness!
In one of your earlier posts you say something like "Not all muslims are terrorists - all terrorists are muslims! This statement is simply not true, and well you know it! You have mentioned the IRA - They were certainly "terrorists" but they certainly were not muslims - Or am I thinking about a different IRA than you??
Stiring up hatred and hunting down every muslim who you think is a terrorist is not the answer, nor is it a resonnable line of thinking. If we all thought and spoke like that it would make us all "extremists" or "terrorists" too?
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Wounding is not an option!
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Tony
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Never come across an Irish Muslim Pete but I came across plenty of murderous Paddies and shot quite a few! AND YES I would be prepared to hunt them down. WW3 or not if we don't do something to stop them we'll be the opressed minority in our own country!! There's no point in trying to moderate opinions on here I recon most of the lads are right behind me! This isn't the SD forum we call a spade a spade
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Rottie (PitBulls dad.)
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