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    Posted: October 22 2018 at 8:59am
Anything is restorable with enough time and money thrown at it, including this one.

The barrel can be put back to original length by grafting on the front section of a scrap barrel to restore the bayonet lugs and muzzle, then counter-bored. The joint can be hidden underneath the front sight. This can be done with the barrel and receiver still assembled. Straight forward job if you have access to a metal lathe and a skilled turner. 

Everything else regarding furniture that you would need is out there. Great project, I encourage you to have a crack at it. For me, the hunt for parts is a big part of the hobby .
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Your rifle was a standard British BSA Shirley No. 4 Mk. I (T) and it has been sporterized after it left the military. The barrel has been shortened. Brian d**k (BDL LTD)in South Carolina  http://bdlltd.com/ ;  is your best bet if you are in the USA for restoring it. 

If the scope SN matches the top of the butt at the wrist, and the bracket Sn matches the rifle, then it is a matched set and well worth restoring. A new barrel and new front furniture and fittings are straightforward. The increase in value would outweigh the cost of restoration. 

Twenty Canadian Long Branch sniper rifles were made during WWII that look like sporterized rifles and I have one of these experimental rifles. As well, at least one soldier sporterized a No. 4 Mk. I (T) 
The photo was taken in France in 1944 after D-Day (near Boulogne?) and shows a R.C.E.M.E. Sergeant with one. Totally unofficial and he likely salvaged a sniper rifle that had been written off. 

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This really confusing me.(but I'm easily confused)
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to expand just a little the mkI was built on the east side of the atlantic the mkI* [except for a very few mkIs] were built on the west side of the pond , only savage and longbranch made the mkI*, 


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OK, I understand. Each component had a mark #, its quite possible to have a Mk1 rifle with a Mk2 cocking piece & a Mk4 sight for example.
Your rifle is a Mk1 (no star) because the trigger is connected to the trigger guard, not the receiver & its not a * because it has a spring-loaded bolt release catch, instead of  cut rail.
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My bad.
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" The Mk2 has this recess and the trigger is hung off the butt socket"
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I don't think you'll find any No4Mk2 with the resess for removing the bolt. That was specifcally for Mk1*; wartime production economy measures. Anything built after the would be using the release catch at the rear.

Theodore. If you are going to fit new wood yourself; I suggest you study the articles by Captain Peter Laidler that are available on the "milsurps" website. He is a retired British Army armourer and specializes in these rifles. it will gie you a good understanding of what you need to do to get the rifle in top shooting condition.
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seems legit . thank you gor postinbg this one .
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The serial number of yours shows it came out of the BSA Shirley plant. Late 1944 as a No4 MkI T
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See where the bolt head is removed from behind the charger bridge. This is a Mk1.

This one shows the recessed cut behind the bolt.
This is a No4 Mk1*
The Mk2 has this recess and the trigger is hung off the butt socket. The Mk11 designation is something completely different. You'll have rifles designated No4 MkI,Mk2,Mk1/2,Mk1/3
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below bolt it is marked N.67 MK II
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It's a 1944 model. There's no spot cut out in the receiver for the bolt head to turn out of. It's a No4 MkI, no asterisk.
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You could certainly upgrade to original wood with a little hand fitting, but the missing barrel bits would make it a labor of love with a financial hit. That's fine as long as you realize you aren't "restoring value" somehow.
I'm curious why you think its a Mk1/2, though?
There's no bracket for the "hung trigger" of the Mk2.

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the barrel will still handle new wood,the barrel is in excellent shape all# match.it was up graded from a mk1 to mk2.I do not know much about this stuff so am trying to get other people opinion I have new wood coming from the UK,and looking for metal parts. I would like to know the of month manufacture.
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We are seeing them now from you new posts, but before it was just blank posts.
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I am tring to send pictures
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