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    Posted: October 05 2018 at 8:47am
Do it!

By the time you are finished you will have learnt a lot and be ready to do it all again with another one!

If you are restoring back to 'original', the job is more of assembling than building, but it has to be done right.

If you are building a custom sporter, then your local machinist is your friend.

There are a lot of members on this board who have been there, done that. Built some pretty decent examples that shoot very well. 

Just ask and you will get answers from the voice of experience.
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I was told that as a teenybopper and do not know otherwise. My dad bought one of those Gibbs 2A1 cut down to look like a Jungle Carbine rifles. The only marks I found on it was a RFI marking along with a date,1966. It does not matter to me one way or the other to be honest.
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Originally posted by Goosic Goosic wrote:

Rob3Bruce.
The receiver for the 2A1 is its own receiver,made with a higher grade steel to handle the higher pressures of the 7.62. The rifle was made between the early 60's thru to the mid 70's. The 2A1 is not a,"conversion". It is it's own rifle from the get go.


There's actually a lot of debate recently as to if that's true or not.
IMO the jury is still out on it.
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Here's a photo of before and after targets from when I refitted the wood properly. This was the No1 MkIII* with a new barrel fitted. The wood on this rifle looked great, but the fit was awful; interfering with the barrel and poor recoil lug contact.


I studied the process  for setting up the rifle from a couple of sources. One being the writings of Captain Peter Laidler; a British armed forces armourer. The information is freely available on the milsurp.com website. Absolutely worth reading before buying anything.
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R3B, if you have a military and mechanical background then I'm sure you will enjoy working on these rifles. I am a car mechanic by trade; but found working on the woodwork to be very enjoyable and also very beneficail to the accuracy. However I read lot's of information before starting. This was for my No1MkIII* rifle that had major accuracy issues when I bought it.
It shot or maybe that should sprayed! bullets around a 12 MOA group initially. Lot's of work done and now it's around 2MOA.
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Rob3Bruce.
The receiver for the 2A1 is its own receiver,made with a higher grade steel to handle the higher pressures of the 7.62. The rifle was made between the early 60's thru to the mid 70's. The 2A1 is not a,"conversion". It is it's own rifle from the get go.
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AS long as you go into this knowing what you're getting in to then good luck. Feel free to come back if we can hep & yes, we'd love pics from soup to nutz as this progresses.
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Sometimes we're not around to access the site & approve etc.
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Zed,

I do fully appreciate your point, but I find it easier to convince the royal treasurer of the castle (wife) to let me spend $100-$150 a month tops on something like this. So while I would love to buy that '66 Stang today, I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with buying the body sight unseen and hunting for parts to use your analogy. I should add that I am a former Marine, current Coast Guardsman mechanic (for the Coast Guard) who is pretty well familiar with the workings of modern US military small arms. The biggest struggle I think I would have is the wood, actually. Metal and I tend to get along very well.

Sorry if I sound argumentative or defensive. Also, random question:

What's with the moderator approval process on this site? My very first post took 11 hours to clear, and I actually posted a response before Zed's that was waiting for approval even after Zed's post appeared.
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Welcome to the forum. If this is to be your first vintage military rifle; I would avoid buying a part's bin receiver and barrel. It would be a bit like buying a just an engine and transmission in the hope to build a 66 Mustang. Probably better to buy a good original rifle; then if you want a project; spend time getting it shooting well. Making sure it's all the wood is fitting properly (essential for good accuracy) and working on reloading for accuracy etc.
Once you get familiar with these rifles, then take on a bigger project, such as rebuilding a sporterised rifle.
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Thanks to all for the responses. I do plan to restore it to at least close to original condition (though I do so like the look of a polished brass butt plate) and fully understand that'd I'd never get my investment back. I hope to keep it til it's 100 plus years old.

What Shamu has said sums up the reason I started this thread and started reading just about every online mention of Ishapore 2A rifles, particularly headspace discussions as that is the biggest saftey issue. The price also does sound too good, especially seeing as at least on gunbroker one recently went for (or at least has been bid on at) $115. Though I do understand that the condition was much more readily verifiable. If Sarco really stands by everything they sell, which I don't doubt, then I could be the Guinea pig and buy one to report back. If it's not in decent condition I'll see if I can get a swap or refund. I'm really just hoping it's an RFI receiver that has a good bore and minimal corrosion. I'll do my darndest to take care of the rest.
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If you proceed please post pictures of the receiver markings from the get go. As mentioned there is a lot of information here but we are blind without pictures of the wrist and receiver marks.



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Yes. What Shamu said...
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Caveat Emptor.
( bad Latin for : 'Its a crap shoot")

"Project" WARNING!, WARNING!

$49.oo (If it seems too good to be true it probably is.)
Barreled action ONLY, no bolt, magazine (sights?) & so on.

They're NOT saying it IS a 2A, but that the complete Indian rifles in the 7.62 caliber are known as  one.
Now if you want a winter project & are willing to drop another 350~450 into it as well as a bunch of time its fun, but as a quickie el-cheapo rifle I'd run like a rabbit!
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You'll notice I like to too my own horn. I just finished converting a No4Mk2 to 7.62. using an Ishapore barrel. This is my second conversion and the guy that still has my first conversion has no complaints at all.
This is my first 7.62 conversion.

This is the new conversion.

Both rifles were checked and rechecked prior to test firings. The Ishapore rifles use a slightly stronger metal in the casting process in their receivers and are nitro proof to 19 tons per square inch. But,as previously stated,if you are using an original No1Mk111/* receiver or a No4Mk1 receiver,as long as it was done professionally and everything was inspected accordingly,no worries...
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