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    Posted: January 09 2023 at 8:54am
I have a rather silly question, maybe. I have always had a used No4Mk1 and everyone of those used No4Mk1 rifles had a front sling swivel that, "Swiveled." This French Resistance No4Mk1 Maltby of mine does not have a sling swivel that, "Swivels." To reiterate,  I have done nothing to this rifle other than to clean it. The swivel was "locked" into ite current position when I bought it and after I did all the necessary cleaning, I put it back it its current position.
Here's my question: Are the front sling swivels on a No4Mk1 supposed to "Swivel" or are they supposed to remain motionless like mine?
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It seems to vary a bit. I've had some "locked (more or less sling tension will move them)" & some freely swiveling. It all depends on how tight you make the cross-bolt. I would use removable "loctite" or stake punch the band & screw slot if I wanted the screw tension to stay put.
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As Shamu stated if you crank on the swivel screw your can stop it from being able to move - well my experience. All the front swivels on mine more fore and aft with some a little easier then others. 
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When I restocked my `41 beezer the front swivel didn`t swing freely, and yet I`ve owned them no matter how tight they were would move quite freely. I guess it boils down to manufacturing tolerances and/or how worn in they are.
Yours is new so you would expect it to be on the tight side of things.
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Originally posted by shiloh shiloh wrote:

Yours is new so you would expect it to be on the tight side of things.

Good point!
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all of mine free swiveled , never saw one that was fixed , 
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I shoot my rifles with a fair bit of tension on the sling, so I keep that screw pretty tight.  The swivels don’t swivel unless you really push them hard. 


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Some individual swivels had a "flange" on the pivot. Might check to see if you have one.
Some are plain cylinders where they slot into the barrel band, others have this protrusion that faces the rear.
I'm not sure if there are "matching" barrel bands for both types but its obviously some kind of movement limiter.
Off the top of my head I think it was for SMLE swivels because of the offset. Maybe?
Well guess what I found, by accident! I've never seen a sling rigged that way before!
https://gwfattachments.s3.amazonaws.com/monthly_11_2010/post-14525-031136800%201289769562.jpg
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Hmm... That is an interesting way to rig a sling for sure. Not sure what the purpose would be, certainly not shoulder carrying it. 
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Mine swivels nwith the band tight.  Guess it doesn't really need to(?).  But I have see some YouTube Troopers who add a "stacking swivel" to a No. 4 (which it never had) on the forward band.
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Thanks for the replies. I was just curious simply because I have never owned a NEW No4Mk1 until now. I went to the gun shop today and checked the remaining 4 Frenchies and their sling swivels are just like mine, unmoveable...
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He seems to be mounted so maybe its something to do with storing in the "bucket", or for slinging up one handed while holding reins with the other hand?
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I've got quite a few period pictures of cavalry with various types of 'rifle buckets' but not appear to have the sling like that :












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The sling is on wrong in the last picture...🙂
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I would say the Armourer's second picture down utilizes the sling configuration in Shamu's picture.
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I would say the Armourer's second picture down utilizes the sling configuration in Shamu's picture.
Excellent catch!
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