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IMHO, the F-35 was a bad choice, anyway. I would much have peferred the SAAB entry..but the agreement was (since the Arrow's demise) that all tactical airforce requirements be purchased stateside.
The Arrow was (laughingly) replaced with BOMARC..then the Voodoos were equipped with GENIE a to A nuclear tipped missles.(What good would that do?)
Seems like alot of "stinkin - thinkin" in Canadian military procurement since then Arrow was killed.
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Canada's Defence procurement policy is to buy whatever system they can get a deal on, then hem and haw for a few years, back out of the contract at great expense by having to pay a penalty, then buy something inferior to what our servicemen and women need.  That guarantees the Canadian taxpayer pays more for less.  Anyone remember the $500,000,000 penalty Canada had to pay when PM Jean Cretin cancelled the contract to purchase 50 EH-101 helicopters, then the Liberals dithered for a decade while the Canadian Navy tried valiantly and at great additional expense to keep the Sea Kings flying?  Now look at the pathetic submarine fleet Canada has spent a small fortune on: the Victoria Class of diesel electric submarines.  Canada paid $427,000,002 for 4 outdated and poorly maintained Upholder Class subs from Great Britain, then had to spend another $98,000,000 just to get them where they were almost safe enough to submerge.  Canada has now spent a Billion dollars on these turkeys.  Leaks and substandard welds have been an ongoing problem with these subs as well as frying electrical systems.  The 4 subs total time at sea amounts to months instead of the years it should be.  
So once again Canada has a new PM that wants to cancel yet another defence procurement contract, this time the F35 which is arguably one of the best 5th gen fighters out there.  Why?  He hates Trump.  That's some sound logic there.  
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Originally posted by Sapper740 Sapper740 wrote:

Canada's Defence procurement policy is to buy whatever system they can get a deal on, then hem and haw for a few years, back out of the contract at great expense by having to pay a penalty, then buy something inferior to what our servicemen and women need.  That guarantees the Canadian taxpayer pays more for less.  Anyone remember the $500,000,000 penalty Canada had to pay when PM Jean Cretin cancelled the contract to purchase 50 EH-101 helicopters, then the Liberals dithered for a decade while the Canadian Navy tried valiantly and at great additional expense to keep the Sea Kings flying?  Now look at the pathetic submarine fleet Canada has spent a small fortune on: the Victoria Class of diesel electric submarines.  Canada paid $427,000,002 for 4 outdated and poorly maintained Upholder Class subs from Great Britain, then had to spend another $98,000,000 just to get them where they were almost safe enough to submerge.  Canada has now spent a Billion dollars on these turkeys.  Leaks and substandard welds have been an ongoing problem with these subs as well as frying electrical systems.  The 4 subs total time at sea amounts to months instead of the years it should be.  
So once again Canada has a new PM that wants to cancel yet another defense procurement contract, this time the F35 which is arguably one of the best 5th gen fighters out there.  Why?  He hates Trump.  That's some sound logic there.  

I find it telling that Carney had a meeting with Chairman XI right before he took the catbird seat in canadian govt. I do not get the impression he is "canada first" at all. It almost seems as though he sold out to china much the way the briben klan did in/to America. We see now Vietnam , and the EU are offering up zero tariff concessions..... is Carney going to be the hold out carnival barking madman on this ?. 
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

IMHO, the F-35 was a bad choice, anyway.

The problem is Hoadie is if we want our aerial warfighters to have the greatest chance of survival in today's environment we should want them to have the latest and greatest which is a 5th Gen fighter aircraft and since there are only three countries currently producing 5th Gen fighters our choices are limited.  They now talk of the "Combat Cloud" in which air forces will be operating.  The combat cloud is a mix of unmanned aerial aircraft and manned aircraft.  The F35 electronic systems allow a single F35 pilot to launch AMRAAMS from UCLASS (Unmanned Carrier-launched Airborne Surveillance and Strike) aircraft before a 3rd or 4th Gen fighter even knows they're there.  What an amazing advantage!  Further, consider that several countries are working on 6th Gen fighter aircraft, how far behind do you want the RCAF to be?  
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When Canada bought those screen-door subs..they had already been refused by other countries (including Columbia, IIRC). One of them had an electrical fire enroute resulting in the injury (& death I believe) of some crew members.
SAAB makes a great fighter. Its faster, flies higher & its less expensive. We should have bought them a while ago.(Then again-we still fly old Cessna Tudor jets! )
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote smerdon42 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2025 at 5:14pm
Australia just paid the first payment on the AUKUS deal for subs , wonder if we will be told to go screw soon as well.we recently had 3 Chinese ships circumnavigate the country and sat there and watched . Back here in now back in USof T 
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