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i guess im glad i dont speak french , however there was a good chance id have learned that when i was young if my Alsatian grandparents had been of that persuasion rather than german - it was a flip of the coin back then , the area kept changing hands , 

When I was in high school in Canada we had to have two years of French, German, Spanish, or Latin.  I chose French figuring that would be the most useful....not so much in Canada as it turned out but in Syria where the older generation are all fully bilingual in French and Arabic.  Driving around the Syrian side of the AOS on the Golan Heights was always a barrel of laughs with their poorly marked mine fields.  I spoke almost no Arabic but If I could find an elderly gentleman it was almost for sure he spoke French and would give us directions.
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I learned Schoolboy French as a kid, then re-learned all of it living in Northern France.
I've been told that I speak it with a local accent from Aisne (not surprising I guess) & use several words, phrases & intonations of the "dead" language of "Picard". Again hardly surprising.

"Picard (/ˈpɪkɑːrd/ PIH-kard,[4] also US: /pɪˈkɑːrd, ˈpɪkərd/ pih-KARD, PIH-kərd,[5][6] French: [pikaʁ] ) is a langue d'oïl of the Romance language family spoken in the northernmost of France and parts of Hainaut province in Belgium. Administratively, this area is divided between the French Hauts-de-France region and the Belgian Wallonia along the border between both countries due to its traditional core being the districts of Tournai and Mons (Walloon Picardy).

The language or dialect is referred to by different names, as residents of Picardy call it simply Picard, but in the more populated region of Nord-Pas-de-Calais it is called Ch'ti or Ch'timi (sometimes written as Chti or Chtimi). This is the area that makes up Romance Flanders, around the metropolis of Lille and Douai, and northeast Artois around Béthune and Lens. Picard is also named Rouchi around Valenciennes, Roubaignot around Roubaix, or simply patois in general French.

In 1998, Picard native speakers amounted to 700,000 individuals, the vast majority of whom were elderly people (aged 65 and over).[7] Since its daily use had drastically declined, Picard was declared by the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO) a "severely endangered language".[8] However, as of 2023, the Picard language was listed as “vulnerable” by UNESCO"

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My mother many decades ago had befriended an old lady . She hailed form south Africa via canada. That old lady could tell stories that had my litttle tyke ears all tuned in on. One special lady indeed. She left SA before it got bad. Wound up in the quebec area - she spoke fluent french , her husband did not. She would tell tales of the hubris of the quebec french and how they figured she could not understand them...until she scolded them in better french then they knew !. Absolute funny stories she had , and some tense ones as well. 
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Oh yes I've done that too.
But only if my atrociously mangled Frengilsh didn't warn them off. as I'd spoken it fluently the day before.

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I speak French with a bit of Canadian 'oot' and Texan 'y'all' mixed in along with a little Spanglish for good measure.   A thousand years from now some archeologist will find a recording of me talking French and announce the finding of a long lost tribe of Texican Frenchies.
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And the lost tribe of Israeli.
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Isn't that "The Lemba"?
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"The Lemba are a southern African Bantu-speaking population claiming Jewish ancestry. Allele frequencies at four different Y-specific polymorphic loci, as well as extended-haplotype frequencies that included data from several loci, were analyzed in an attempt to establish the genetic affinities and origins of the Lemba. The results suggest that > or = 50% of the Lemba Y chromosomes are Semitic in origin, approximately 40% are Negroid, and the ancestry of the remainder cannot be resolved. These Y-specific genetic findings are consistent with Lemba oral tradition, and analysis of the history of Jewish people and their association with Africa indicates that the historical facts are not incompatible with theories concerning the origin of the Lemba."
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Originally posted by Sapper740 Sapper740 wrote:

Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

i guess im glad i dont speak french , however there was a good chance id have learned that when i was young if my Alsatian grandparents had been of that persuasion rather than german - it was a flip of the coin back then , the area kept changing hands , 

When I was in high school in Canada we had to have two years of French, German, Spanish, or Latin.  I chose French figuring that would be the most useful....not so much in Canada as it turned out but in Syria where the older generation are all fully bilingual in French and Arabic.  Driving around the Syrian side of the AOS on the Golan Heights was always a barrel of laughs with their poorly marked mine fields.  I spoke almost no Arabic but If I could find an elderly gentleman it was almost for sure he spoke French and would give us directions.

when i was in high school they offered some foreign language , but id already been jaded by my grandparents forbidding's , it was a time when the war was fresh and i sorta understood their position because id been exposed to the neighbors comments about buying american and "cheap japanese imports" but i also had had a fake uncle and aunt - he was one of the americans that had been in japan after the war setting up their production facilities , he brought home a war bride , he worked for my father as a production engineer , so as confusing as it all was to a kid growing up and later a high scxhool student , i never learned a foreign language , a shortcoming to be sure ....

both of my kids did , and my wife knows some japanese from when she was growing up there durring VN , i wish i had but at this point in life im not inclined 
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