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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote paddyofurniture Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2023 at 11:25am
I am going to a show in December.

Do you want me to look around?

Might be a WWII sling as WWI are hard to come by.

Let me know.
Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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Thanx Paddy - but I'd sooner wait fer the correct sling.
Just wouldn't do the Vimy Vet any justice if I were to put the incorrect dress on her.
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Thanx Paddy - but I'd sooner wait fer the correct sling.
Just wouldn't do the Vimy Vet any justice if I were to put the incorrect dress on her.
hoadie: What is the correct sling for you.
I have been going through photos of that day and have noticed that almost every Enfield rifle has a canvas web sling. I did find three that had the leather sling with leather tie straps.
Which do you prefer? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2023 at 11:19am
I'm not 100 % sure.
The rifle wAS @ Vimy Ridge. It was issued when the soldier got to Blighty. They turned in their ROSS rifles & were issued proper Enfields(as well as proper English issue web gear.)
So- which one? I dunno. What were the Brits issuing in 1916?
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Probably either, both seem to have overlapped considerably.

The leather with loop Pat '14:
"This Sling is a leather strap, 43 1/2-inches long by 1 1/4-inches wide. It has a fixed loop on one end, as well as a free running loop. To fit this sling to a rifle, the free end is passed though the front sling swivel from the rear, then looped around it and passed through, first, the running loop and then the fixed one. The free end is then doubled back through the rifle's rear sling swivel and tied with a leather thong. The Sling is an shorter, narrower version of the Sling, rifle, brown, infantry, introduced under L. of C. 4855, 29th August 1885, as part of the Valise Equipment, Pattern 1882. The Sling, rifle, pattern 1914, was used long after Infantry Equipment, Pattern 1914 was declared obsolete, and was still being manufactured in Australia as late as WWII."

 & the Pat 37 Web:
"1937 Pattern Web Equipment (also known as '37 Webbing') was an item of military load-carrying equipment. It replaced the 1908 Pattern and 1925 Pattern—on which it was based—and was standard issue for British and Commonwealth troops from its introduction in 1937, throughout World War II, and in the post-war period until it was superseded by 1958 Pattern Web Equipment."

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Everything i have found indicates the use of P37 webbing. 
Found this reproduction sling on eBay:
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Well, looks like I'll be going with a web sling the.
The guy that carried the rifle @ the ridge is long past & I never had the opportunity to meet him.(Methinks his wounds had something to do with his early passing)
His son was in WWII (Cdn armour) & he passed a while back as well.
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You have to be careful buying some of those repos, the metal work(not the rings) are as thin as foil, totally rubbish.
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Oddly the best bet of getting a guaranteed original is to go for the war expedient one with the steel hardware, rather than the brass. No one I know of it reproing them!
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this would be the correct .......,.

The leather with loop Pat '14:
"This Sling is a leather strap, 43 1/2-inches long by 1 1/4-inches wide. It has a fixed loop on one end, as well as a free running loop. To fit this sling to a rifle, the free end is passed though the front sling swivel from the rear, then looped around it and passed through, first, the running loop and then the fixed one. The free end is then doubled back through the rifle's rear sling swivel and tied with a leather thong. The Sling is an shorter, narrower version of the Sling, rifle, brown, infantry, introduced under L. of C. 4855, 29th August 1885, as part of the Valise Equipment, Pattern 1882. The Sling, rifle, pattern 1914, was used long after Infantry Equipment, Pattern 1914 was declared obsolete, and was still being manufactured in Australia as late as WWII."

.........if this was issued in 1916 and you want correct for that era , 

it may well have served in WWII , my 1915 BSA did , in that case 
and if thats what you want then ....the P37 was not used until after 1937 acceptance and is correct for anythiung issued in WW!!
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A square 10:
I cant read your post..too dark for my eyes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote shiloh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2023 at 8:51am
ya black font don`t work so well on this background. neither do other colors. Ie this red looks blurry to me.
Hoadie, just high light it, makes it readable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2023 at 9:38am
Its a copy/paste from my earlier post:
"The leather with loop Pat '14:"
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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If it matters, I am watching 1917 right now on Showtime.  Every rifle so far, is shown wearing a canvas web sling...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2023 at 3:35pm
I guess it depends on your focus.
The Pat'14 was "correct" but really disliked by the troops, so they'd dump them for a Pat '37 in a heartbeat!
Google for "P14 sling" & click "images" & it'll have a couple of rounds wedged into the loop!
No-one really knows why, but things like a "Last Ditch Suicide Round" have been suggested, but why 2 of them?
Another theory is they wedged the strap in place so it would stop slipping when wet & muddy.

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