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Hal9000
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Topic: Finally seeing results... sometimes ???Posted: May 05 2025 at 10:21am |
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I've posted one or two updates about this rifle as I've had time to make progress (slowly... ever so slowly!) on accurizing the 7.62-51 2A1 sporter that's currently serving as my son's go-to hunting rifle. It's been more convoluted than any other rifle I've worked on to date. (I'm adding a list of corrections/upgrades made at the end of this post for anyone that's curious). It's getting there but we're not out of the woods yet!
I had a chance for another round of testing over the weekend to verify that the modifications to the Catco scope rail (to correct massive elevation adjustment error) were effective.... Basically I had to clearance the rear mount and silver solder in a 1/16' shim to lower the rear of the rail. I've only found one other photo of that particular mount and that one had the front elevated a similar amount to what I took out of the rear. I think elevation problems were standard issue with the Catco rail. Anyway, the mod worked fine, and shooting from a bench and bags at 50 yd to mimic what I was able to accomplish when the elevation was almost too far off to get on paper, I now have a real idea of how the rifle is shooting after all the other changes. This is a rifle that would shoot 8"+ groups at 100 yd when we received it.... Now the rifle is shooting roughly every other (yep!) shot into 1" at 50 yards, with most shots touching. BUT every other shot is consistently ~1" high or low... So the pattern seems to go "good shot - Flier - good shot - flier - good shot - flier"... I've never seen anything quite like it and am curious if anyone has any thoughts on where to look for the inconsistency. In my opinion something is moving and getting hung up on the way back to its natural home.... but what? The obvious thing would be movement in the scope mount but I'm checked and double checked and can't find anything. Once I clean up and re-blue it I'll bed it to the rifle with epoxy for good measure but it seems to be tight and right.... Here's where the oddysey has led me so far. 1) recrown Barrel 2) clearance ati synthetic forend near nocks form (turns out is was a No. 1 Mk 4 stock) to match barrel diameter and allow proper seating. 3) epoxy bed stock and shim bottom to best approximate factory fitment. 4) polish and adjust magazine feed ramps, guide "lips", and latch. Block mag for hunting capacity requirement. 5) free float barrel in forend (There's nothing to replicate OE bedding anyway. Seems best choice) 6) remove OEM iron sight bases to reduce weight, simplify harmonics 7) modify aftermarket Catco scope rail to correct elevation to be within scope adjustment range. Next steps to chase down the flying gremlin will be to verify free floating of barrel, maybe add a rudimentary barrel tuner (IE rubber buffer) to play with harmonics, double check scope rail for movement, and possibly thread forend screw hole (where OEM mid band used to live), to add an adjustable pressure pad and dampen harmonics. Any other suggestions? Thanks all!
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britrifles
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Posted: May 05 2025 at 1:12pm |
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If I understand this right, the rifle is shooting a vertical extreme spread of around 2 inches at 50 yards? So, 4 MOA. You might be able to get that down a bit more with a well bedded forend. With handloads, maybe down to 1.5 to 2 MOA if your lucky, but that takes a very good condition barrel.
What is the lateral extreme spread of your groups, this might tell you the potential of the barrel.
Not sure what a "No. 1 Mk 4" stock is. Do you mean No. 4 Mk I? I've had some rifles "double group" on me before, and it usually means something is loose; rifle moving in stock. On one rifle, it turned out to be a loose butt stock. I corrected it by wrapping the stock tenon with masking tape to get a very tight fit in the receiver butt socket. A loose fitting forend might do the same thing. |
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Bear43
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Posted: May 06 2025 at 9:06am |
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I can tell you from experience, those ATI stocks are atrocious and require serious bedding work if you expect to get any decently consistent accuracy out of your rifle. They simply do not fit well.
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Posted: May 06 2025 at 11:14am |
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I can see it being problematic if it’s actually a No.4 stock on a MkIII rifle.
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Hal9000
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Posted: May 06 2025 at 10:03pm |
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Thanks for the replies everyone... I'm not using any target analysis software to come up with this and the sample size is pretty small (roughly a box and a half of ammo) but extreme spread is just over 3" and horizontal dispersion is just under 2" I'd say. The rifle isn't exactly double grouping.more like a close group centered in a scattered group.
I did a LOT of fitting work on the forend (and sorry, I probably did misstate the model # that was printed in the stock.) First time I took the rifle down it was literally pivoting around the action screw with no contact at the draws and the barrel pulled down into the forend with the barrel band... it was a hot mess for sure. I have a vague memory reading that there wasn't a 2A1 specific ATI option so people made due with another model that was a "close fit". But that could be wrong and doesn't really matter. I'm just running with what I have. The forend is now a very tight tap on and tap off fit and makes good, even contact at all the critical points. I hadn't considered the buttstock though. That feels tight but I never did remove it. Might be worth a look. If it's not something loose then it almost has to be something catching and sticking out of place instead of returning to its natural home. I just don't know where to look. Bedding the barrel would be tough because of the stock design (would take a pint of Epoxy anyway). But I could manage a pressure pad. Anyone ever tried that on a sporter? Thanks again folks! |
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