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    Posted: March 29 2025 at 4:45am
With Russian and Chinese expansionism being a direct threat to the Western world the Trump Administration has correctly identified the importance of Greenland, both for its location and strategic minerals.  Currently, the vast majority of Greenlanders are in favor of economic ties with the U.S. but are strongly opposed to becoming a U.S. Territory.  
Here's my prediction:  Being the businessman that he is President Trump will offer each and every current Greenland resident a large sum of money, say $1 million usd to accept becoming a U.S. territory.  With 58,000 residents, that would cost the U.S. Treasury $58 Billion usd, a relatively paltry amount compared to America' annual budget and will be paid out of the money DOGE is saving.  
So, you're a member of the average Greenland family with Mom, Pop, and a couple of kids and would receive $4 million usd for voting 'YES' on a national referendum to become a U.S. territory?  Watch how fast the majority of Greenlanders go from "he!! no!" to "he!! YES!!!!".
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im in agreement with your need analysis , and i agree there will be some incentives discussed just not sure what that will look like 
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This is seen as an annexation purely for mineral resources on this side of the pond.
The 1951 US/Danish treaty allows for additional US forces on Greenland which have actually decreased since ww2. 
There were once 17 US bases on the land mass which has now shrunk to 1 with about 200 personal...if there were a bigger threat you bet it would have been met by a US led NATO force rather than someone with an eye for an opportunity!   
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Originally posted by Strangely Brown Strangely Brown wrote:

This is seen as an annexation purely for mineral resources on this side of the pond.
The 1951 US/Danish treaty allows for additional US forces on Greenland which have actually decreased since ww2. 
There were once 17 US bases on the land mass which has now shrunk to 1 with about 200 personal...if there were a bigger threat you bet it would have been met by a US led NATO force rather than someone with an eye for an opportunity!   


Its funny how everbody except the American people see trump for what he is and what he`s doing. And in the end it`ll all come back and bite hard.
The comment from Carney about our relationship with the US being over has got to speak volumes. trumps unfounded demands and bullying isn`t working and never will. Time will tell.
I`m done here and sick and tired of hearing how great the worlds greatest A hole is. In the eyes of the world the USA under trump has totally screwed the pouch.
Good luck and may god bless.
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in my mind this is a mutual expansion of democracy in the face of russias and chinas expansionism , i dont think he is looking to strip their position  Rather be proactive at mutual protection , it would be mutually beneficial to them as well as to the world order , i think those that are in opposition are missing the big picture in the end , 

much like the tarrifs we cant be short sighted here - canada has 170% tarrifs on some of our products - how is that fair trade ? if everyone drops their tarrifs we will drop ours , fair trade is fair trade , lets let this play out , i think honesty will win out ----or the offenders will pay , might hurt for a short time but i think it might open some markets that have been ripping us off , 

so far the expansions of american manufacturing - the added jobs as well as their expansions show promise to me , im a fan of "MADE IN AMERIC:A", its about time we got something for all we have investeed globally , as a 75 year old taxpayer thats paid in to every damn government program and ponsi scheme for my entire life without choice , im liking seeing accountability = cuts and efficiency measures being implemented - about time we are not being ripped off , 

   

 



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A Sq: Just where do you get the 170% figure from...& what exactly is it on?
If your just quoting Trump, that has been disproved factually often.
In the case of dairy, there IS a "tariff" of sorts. It was negotiated by Trump on the last CUSMA. It is a tariff that COULD go as high as 250%, if the agreed to volumes of dairy imports exceeded the agreed level. That has never happened, ergo no tariff.
The biggest part of the dairy issue is industrial, not your jugs of milk you'd buy @ the store.
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Can we discuss the merits of my comment without rancor?  Who gets hurt by Greenland becoming a U.S. territory?  Certainly not Denmark who funds Greenland annually to the tune of DKK 3.9 Billion ($511 million in U.S. dollars) and occasionally gives ODA (Official Development Assistance) grants, the last in 2022 of $2.9 billion USD.  Greenlanders themselves want independence from Denmark and has a commission tasked with drafting a constitution.  Despite all the breathless reporting by the Left Stream Media the Trump administration has no plans to invade anyone and take countries by force.  Trump is brash, full of bluster, and loves to troll the Left and gets roundly criticized by all for that but the majority of Americans and some Canadians appreciate his desire to stop the slide into progressive he!!, reduce America's dependence on foreign manufactured goods, especially from strategic minerals and stop the slow invasion of foreign and enemy aliens.  The world not only needs a strong America, it needs a stronger America.  The world also needs a stronger NATO and President Trump is the only leader who has woke our NATO allies up to meet their commitments on mutual defense.  Some politicians from other other countries, especially those with looming elections will try to gin up hatred for President Trump to save their personal political careers but if you look beyond the rhetoric what exactly has President Trump done, other than place offsetting tariffs, that infuriates anyone?



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Stop me if I'm wrong, but my gut tells me Trump sees China as a bigger threat than Russia. Hence, his new plans to strategically align with Japan. Europe should be able to handle Russia, IF it is committed to spending what it needs to on their collective militaries. I believe the days of my Canada avoiding putting on the "grown-up pants" and spending our tax dollars in trivial causes and social justice is over. We need to supercharge our military spending. You can't have both... the key to our survival is oil and natural resources. Then and only then can we have a day on the world stage. Just my humble opinion...
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

Stop me if I'm wrong, but my gut tells me Trump sees China as a bigger threat than Russia. Hence, his new plans to strategically align with Japan. Europe should be able to handle Russia, IF it is committed to spending what it needs to on their collective militaries. I believe the days of my Canada avoiding putting on the "grown-up pants" and spending our tax dollars in trivial causes and social justice is over. We need to supercharge our military spending. You can't have both... the key to our survival is oil and natural resources. Then and only then can we have a day on the world stage. Just my humble opinion...

Couldn't agree more Honk.  We went from shooting down MiG 15's in Korea and buzzing East German airfields taunting them to "come up and play" in the Fifties to worrying about pronouns.  In the Sixties the RCAF was a force to be reckoned with.  Back then, we had 1,184 F86 Sabres, 692 CF100 Canucks, 239 F104 Starfighters, and 132 F101 VooDoos.  What do we have today for frontline combat aircraft? About 80 forty year old CF-18s.  Worse, the Trump-haters want to replace them with another 40 year old design, the Saab Gripen instead of the new 5th Gen. F35 because, well, they hate Trump.  Why don't we ask the brave Canadian pilots which aircraft they would prefer to enter into air-to-air combat in and leave the animus out of defense procurement decisions?  
I don't think the average Canadian understands how underfunded the CF has been for decades now.  I was a CF member in the Nineties and here are some of the results I experienced from cutting defense spending:

We had to turn in our 2nd pair of used Combats boots back in to Supply so they could redistribute them. 
We had to hitch rides on USAF aircraft to get to our training deployments in the U.S.
We had to train at Fort Lewis, WA after they closed CFB Chilliwack.
With no local motor pool for support we had to lease mini-vans from local businesses for transport.
We only were able to live fire our C7's once a year (if we were lucky).
Our combat uniforms were worn thin so as to be almost transparent in places such as the knee and butt as replacements were hard to find.
IMP's (Canadian version of MRE's for our American friends) were difficult to come by on Canada's land force deficient West Coast so for field exercises we often had to have a lunch truck follow us into the field.

Those are just a few of the issues I experienced during my time in the Canadian Forces.  I doubt it's gotten better.

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no hoadie there is a list of products and the canadian tariffs on them , ill find it and repost it - i think i already did tho , im not quoting trump , 

bottom liner guys is he has said that we will match other countries , if they make theirs zero i think he will live up to that and make ours zero in return , he is demanding an even playing field here 
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