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Topic: New to me 1944 Full Wood IshaporePosted: May 15 2021 at 11:37am |
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Finally received the full wood Ishapore 1944 SMLE "little big brother" to my 1941 sporter and I am thus far VERY impressed with it
![]() I did not ask any information when I was dealing on this, so it was a very long week waiting for it in the mail. When I finally recieved it, I tore it all down, and the only thing missing was the middle barrel band spring underneath the rear sight. Happened to have a spring that was close enough, and after cutting and sanding it square it was non issue. The nose cap isn't number matching, but I don't care and neither will the boulders, gongs and whitetail this will be slinging boolits at I shimmed the nosecap with some cardboard to get a "better" alignment between the front sight post and the nose cap blades, but it changed the pressure point engagement the nosecap puts on the barrel, so I took it out and left it as is. Atlast this nose cap wasn't "free floated". I think I has all the right stuff in all the right places. I also sanded the upper hand guard and the stock the best I could for a mirror flat fit between the two. A small piece of cardboardis also underneath the front of the trigger guard screw for a little more tension on the stock. A small piece of cardboard is under a top quadrant of the handguard band moves the rear wood fingers just off the rear sight base. I switched the rear stock and the scope off my sporter to test the accuracy of the full barrel, as I did not want to drill new holes in the Un molested stock, complete with brass coin I fired a few groups before I got the stock dialed back to factory(3-4 moa), and then I shot some after (sub 1.5moa sofar) to continue fireforming for .308 projectile load development down the road. Comparing this SMLE to my SMLE sporter, the trigger is scary smooth, with no noticeable creep. This SMLE has seen some trigger time, and the mountain of patches to clean the bore can attest to that as well. All in all I am more than pleased, and feel like I have an incredible looking and shooting SMLE
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Posted: May 17 2021 at 7:06pm |
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looks like an interesting shooter - how does it shoot ?
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 6:46am |
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It shoots really really nice. The trigger on this rifle is nothing like I've pulled before. My only other comparison is my 1941, which is like pulling a cinderblock over a gravel pile
. The second stage on this trigger is nice and firm, with no noticeable creep or felt travel until the shot. ![]() ^^^ My home shooting range set up. Not ideal, but it works! ![]() ^^^ These are 4" squares at 63 yards. 42.5 group is the beginning of my de/re constructed Winchester PowerPoint 180gr factory ammunition test, and 43.7 is the maximum of that test as well. I had a bunch of the 43.7 loaded up for sighters because even as a reduced load, it showed promise in my sporter. Hoping for the reloader two of kind ![]() ![]() ^^^ These are 5 1/4" rounds at 63 yards. Very nice to aim at with the 2.5x scout scope. After sanding a few contact points in the barrel channel between the front nose cap and the rear sight, and fitting the top haunguard and front trigger guard with a carboard gasket shims, I shot these. Very middle of the target is the last of my next shots in the series trying to get it back on paper. Obviously my scope mount doesn't hold zero when you take it on and off.haha. Anyways, to the right of that single shot is the next group of 43.1gr of what I believe to possibly be W760 powder? I stopped right there, and loaded up another 5 for the 5 shot group directly below it. Groups nice at 1.7 MOA but the SD was 37fps, so it's nice fireforming/plinking round. Interestingly when I made my MOA adjustment from that single shot to the first three shot group, it tells me that there was some magic in that prior group that I wasted after all. The very bottom left is a fouling group of that load after getting the bore CLEAN CLEAN. Two off paper and three on the money. I like it when barrels smartens up fast like that after cleaning. The very top left is the beginning of my .308 diameter load development. Those are three shots of 190SMK above 37.0gr of IMR4064. Now that I know it will stabilize .308"s, the fun can now begin
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 7:46am |
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Trappers, is this a .303 or 7.62 barrel?
Looking at the photos, the groups look quite good for 63 yards. But I don’t think that 5 shot group on the lower right is 1.7 MOA is it? To calculate the group extreme spread in MOA, measure center to center on the two widest shots in inches and divide by the range in hundreds of yards. So, for example, if you measure 1.7 inches at 63 yards, that is a spread of 2.7 MOA (1.7/.63). 1 MOA is not exactly 1 inch at 100 yards, but close enough... |
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 8:04am |
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This is just a factory 5 groove 1944 SMLE in .303brit "2.222" stamped chamber. My sporter has the HVSC stamp near the rear sight, but this one does not. Im only trying .308"s in my enfields because I have a VERY limited supply of .311, but bushels of .308 from my 300WM. Full disclosure here, I use an app on my phone called range buddy. You take a picture of your group, and input a reference size (in this case 5.25"), the range (63), and the bullet diameter (.308-3.11). It's kind of a finicky app to navigate, but I primarily use it for scope adjustments (works amazing for this. Shows and tells you in inches how far your group is from POA). But getting back to the group size, I just messed with it again, and if when you select the shots on Pic for analysis, if you're off just a smidgen, at this close range, it can vary the MOA measurement from 1.5-2 MOA. I'm just happy this SMLE doesn't group like a shotgun like I've read in other posts.lol. It's minute of popcan accurate in a 77 year old warhorse, with an enjoyable trigger, fast smooth action that is just fun to shoot
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 10:53am |
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If you still have the target, measure the distance between the two widest shots, center to center. Then divide by .63, that will give you the group size in MOA. Looks like the five shot group would be about 2 MOA (just eyeballing the target knowing it is 5.25 inches in diameter) which is quite good for this rifle and considering your using .308 bullets. Your three shot groups are even smaller, which is typical. Good results!
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 11:23am |
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You have quiet the eye ball sir! Haha. I'm just out tinkering with some 168SMK's, and checked that 5 shot group. 1.25"/.63=2.0 MOA!
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 1:21pm |
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that’s only because I have literally plotted out a few thousand ten shot groups over the last 20 plus years of shooting ....
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 3:35pm |
My last ten shot group measured 1.107"@105 yards. When I did the math as you suggest, I got 10.5428571429 Where did I go wrong here. That is a center to center extreme spread measurement too...
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Posted: May 18 2021 at 4:46pm |
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Figured it out...
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Posted: May 19 2021 at 4:39am |
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Divide by 1.05, the range in hundreds of yards.
This calculation is not exact MOA, but generally accepted as close enough. The reason is that one minute of angle actually subtends 1.0471975807331377152 inches at 100 yards. Calculated by the tangent of 1/60 degrees x (100 x 3 x 12). The value in the brackets is the number of inches in 100 yards and 1/60 degrees is one minute of angle. Using one inch per hundred yards for 1 MOA is close enough to 1.047 inches to make this easy. |
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