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looks to be ROF FAZ in 8/43 to me but the markings are obscured , it was "originally" a military rifle , now sported in what looks to be a fairlynice form from what little i see od it in your photos , may well be a really nice sporting rifle  
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The stock was well fit did not look like your typical hack job. I saw some nice mosian nagant
In Canadian tire for sale way above any grade I have seen in the states along with some sks's
Just thought a company up here may be upgrading and turning out some nice sporters.
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Found this on the recoil pad
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Santa fe arms did some very nice conversions in the 50's on enfields, it wouldn't surprise me if other companies did too. and with the "North" using enfields i bet most hunters started with sporter rifles just like we yanks did with 1903s.

check out churchill gunmakers, thats some sweet stuff on there.
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E.J. Churchill was/is a well known British custom gunsmithing firm.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that is a classic Enfield actioned Churchill sporter instead of a "bubba"! People forget that companies like BSA also made & sold actions, barreled actions & so on the bespoke gun-makers to build original custom rifles from & in the U.K. The Lee Enfield was highly regarded as a sporting not just a military arm.

http://www.ejchurchill.com/gunmakers/gun-room/
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Thanks for the help I did open it up today and the stock
Is cross pined with spacers above the trigger group berry well put to gather
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I might as well get on this thread as well.  I went a different way in redoing my previously Sporterized #4 Mk1.   I always like the look of the L42 but with no scope.  Then I found out about the L39A1  I wasn't going to rebarrel or anything that deep so mine is still .303.
 
 
I have to say I saw one here that I really liked and it was the one converted to .348 Winchester on page 2. That is a nice looking gun!
 
 or this .45-70.
These are fine sporting weapons.
 
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im not a sporter enthusiast but i do appreciate a nicely done rifle be it commercial or private , those look wonderful , if offered one id probably take it for the right value , 
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The funny thing to me is that nowadays there is such a sharp distinction between "Military" & "Sporter" rifles.

The Enfield design is old enough (1890's) that for quite a long period early on the two were nowhere as separated as even the same factory made & sold both. The average civilian (albeit with money), could buy the exact same SMLE in the same caliber (as long as he/she were a Commonwealth Citizen), as was issued to the troops, or a lightweight "Lee's Speed Patent" sporting carbine.
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Randy,

I really like what you did to salvage/repair your # 4 rifle there.  It has the looks and compact size of a #8 training rifle, but heft of .303. 

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BlackAck:   Thanks for the nod, and I have to say the gun feels really good in your hands and with the Redfield sight now mounted I'm pretty sure I can get it to shoot really well with Cast Boolits,,, Which was my original intention for the gun.
 
Still it is not in the class of the fine Sporters pictured above.
 
I am really interested in doing a full on Sporter like the ones above.  I have been looking for a reason to do a .348 Winchester for some time and I don't want to spend $1500 on a M71 Win. and they are pretty scarce anyway.
 
It is obvious that if one has an eye and the skills, that these guns can be made into something of beauty.
 
As everybody knows the vast number of Milsurps converted to Sporting use were Mausers and Springfields, with some 1917's thrown in . Swedish Mausers make nice guns as well. I've even seen some Finish Nagants that were cool. But most of the Military Bolt action Rifles from the 1900's were not really suitable for sporterizing simply because they were so damned ugly to begin with. Still someone always cuts the stocks off and maybe shortens the barrel to make a shooter that works better than the original did for them.
 
The Enfield is  no exception to that but coming from Great Britain the home of some of the finest gun makers ever to push a file, you'd think thee would be more examples of finely crafted Mil Sporters.
 
The two guns shown above are the best looking ones I have ever seen.  We also have  a guy from NZ named Von Gruff who has recently completed two guns that are really nicely done.  The wood on both is spectacular.
 
This will always be done.  The purists can get over it.  There are plenty enough guns to feed both types of enthusiasts, and nobody should get a worked up over a beater being turned into something nice.
 
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I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I've always thought the No4 was one of the most visually appealing rifles ever made. Everything else looks like a distortion of the "original", even the No1 looks shorter & too blunt to me.Censored I guess its what you grew up with.
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You'll all be happy to know that I purchased a Long Branch #4 Mk1* today for $200. It had been sporterized and the barrel had been cut, and there is a Ramp style front sight on the gun. The wood and the overall finish of the gun is decent.
 
The gun actually doesn't look too bad but the rifling is weak and especially at the throat so it is a great candidate for reboring to a larger caliber.  I have decided to make this one a project and I plan on restocking it and redoing the metal work on the gun to a much higher level of polish than the original finish.
 
I have to say I was greatly inspired by the two guns shown above.  I think both of these are excellent examples of Demilitarized Service Rifles repurposed as Fine Sporting Rifles. I am torn between both of those calibers but am leaning towards the .348 Win. simply because I can rebore the existing barrel and reuse it.
 
It is one thing to take a nice gun and chop it up and make something that is worth lees in the end than it originally was.  It is quite another to take something that has already been defiled and turn it into something well in excess of it's current condition.
 
There were 5 to choose from at the shop I was at today, and they wanted $300 for this one, but the owner likes me so I came out better than average.
 
I can guarantee that what ever I choose to do to this gun,,, it will be worth well above what I paid for it.
 
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Looking forward to seeing the progress on your newest acquisition!
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