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trust me radio man , i just learned something new as well ,

i was aware of the diferent uses but not aware of it being the latin gender thing ,

in fact the nuns nearly sacked me from alter-boy duty for my fumbling latin  , only thing that saved my short career was that they were lacking in qualified kneelers for 40 hours devotion , and there were a few that got excused from the weekend duty , but i knelt proud and made myself available so sister mary evangilitta was unable to turn me out 
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Originally posted by oxi81 oxi81 wrote:

Originally posted by RadioHack RadioHack wrote:

Originally posted by oxi81 oxi81 wrote:

The most interesting marking is the crowned "ER". It means "Edward Rex". King Edward VII died in 1910 and all bayonets made in 1910 and after wear a crowned "GR" marking ("George Rex" for King George V who reigned till 1936).
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It actually means "Regina" Latin for Reign, as in the Reign of Edward or in the case of our
current Sovreign "ER" Elizabeth Regina.
 
 


I thought like you about Regina and not Rex translation.
But on another forum, I was told by your compatriots that this marking means Rex as king Edward VII was a men...
Have a look here :
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?101165-A-rare-british-P1907-bayonet.

Maybe we can get a confirmation from an english member.... Ermm

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Here it is from an English member then: R after a male monarch's name stands for Rex = King; after a female monarch:  Regina = Queen.  For example: ER = Elizabeth Regina = Queen Elizabeth.

Reign in Latin is Regni.
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I've got a Sanderson august of 1908 dated hookie...marked I think to either the Irish or Scots guards. Anyhow it's not refinished...but I really need to swap it for a KRR marked hookie to mate with my KRR marked No1 MkIII .
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As in "Pile of Bones was re-named REGINA after the Queen's reign.(Thats in Alberta for you uneducated types)
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

As in "Pile of Bones was re-named REGINA after the Queen's reign.(Thats in Alberta for you uneducated types)
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Being a little pedantic.  I think that you mean after the Queen (Victoria), rather than after her reign - which would make the City Regni.
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well - in the case of this bayonet its george and edward so we are talking REX 
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No doubt I will be flamed for this but I have read the hooked quillion was initially a Navel issue short sword which was reworked for use as a bayonet on the SMLE. I read it was not worth the work and saved no time (obviously) and the process was abandoned this is why they are few in number.
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Nice bayonets all
Sorry Hoadie the "queen city" Regina is in Sask.Not that I like it, but Alta wouldnt swap us for Hinton.
 
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No doubt I will be flamed for this but I have read the hooked quillion was initially a Navel issue short sword which was reworked for use as a bayonet on the SMLE. I read it was not worth the work and saved no time (obviously) and the process was abandoned this is why they are few in number.

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NO FLAME - as to the comment , i think your mistaken , although there may be some truth in the statement , if you sugest that the pattern 1907 bayo was [not worth the work] i think you wrong - it served from 1907 through WWII , a fair service life ,
 
if you refer to the hooked quillon , i know these were promninent over the generations on more than one countries swords and bayonets , they may or may not have been well recieved in various generations , but they certainly must have been acceptable to others as they were prolific ,
they also cost more to produce and i think that may have played a bigger part in the demise ,
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Gentlemen....  an Englishman to the rescue.
 
The question of Regina vs Rex.
 
Queens = Regina.
King's = Rex
 
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Bloodwyn...
 
I love that explanation..  but unfortunatelly, someone has been pulling your leg. Its not true. The Pattern-1907 Sword bayonet was originaly designed with a Hooked Quillion. In 1913, due to operational recommendations, it was ordered to be removed. From approx mid 1914, no further '07 Hooked Quillions were manufactured. Those in existance were removed as and when they were submitted for repair. Some survived due to them not requiring any form of maintainance, or they were stored away in various armouries.
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