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    Posted: March 16 2014 at 6:43am
It is all too easy to get complacent when reloading. Although generally I think I am careful with my reloads; I had a minor problem this weekend which (luckily) I had found while still at the loading bench. 
When starting a new reload; I always check the dosage at least 5 or 6 times to ensure that the dose is regular and at the correct quantity before starting. I made up 50 rounds and then did a dose check to finish, and found it had dropped from the normal 39,3 grains to 37,7 grains!! without any adjustment. I have never had this problem before as I always recheck the dose at the end of a session. Generally I drop in a load check every 15 to 20 cartridges. the reason for the difference I believe is the powder. I topped up the hopper with a new can of Tubal 3000, which should be identical. But it appears the "baguettes"or "rods" of powder are slightly longer (or maybe less broken up) than the last can. So when the new stuff came into the doser, the volume is similar but the weight is down due to more air gaps with the bigger powder rods of the new can. After resetting the weight, i had to weigh each round and pull the lsat half dozen which were light and re do them. But the whole batch will be for plinking and practice as there are surely a few that will be just off ideal weight. I suppose this the disadvantage of a rig for reloading. I will have to hand weigh my match rounds from now on!! The powder from the pulled rounds makes a nice roman candleApprove
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Thanks for posting this, Zed!
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Good catch!
I guess that's one of the reasons we're told to not mix batches of propellant. Imagine if the change had gone the opposite direction!
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IMR changed the grain length on one of its powders years ago. They had burn rate problems and recalled it. Longer grains of the same powder will burn slower, but I'd do a load workup anyway.
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I had been trying to keep the powder level in the hopper between 1/2 and 2/3rds; which requires regular top up's. My reason for this is the weight of powder in the hopper may have a slight effect on the amount being dropped into the doser. However mixing a new pot on top of an older one was not a good idea. I'm thinking I should write the case weights on each case with a marker pen; so I can check the finished weight of each round as a safety check, and also as a guide to load tolerance of the rig.

 For info I use a Dillon 650; mainly because it's good for the .45 rounds as well. It has needed a few minor tweaks to get it to dose and load accurately; extra elastic on the doser slide, trim the spring for the detent ball under the plate,which was causing too much shake and spitting out a few grains, also reduce the free play in the plate to zero. If not there is a wider variation in OAL.
 
I'll get the Chrono out next wekend and test a few of these rounds, see where we are.
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The  baffles in the Dillon measure do a good job of keeping the charges steady as the reservoir lowers. I had a Lyman #55 with no baffle & the charges increased steadily as the column dropped. I got an online plan for the right sized baffle & made on & the consistency improved by a huge amount.
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Originally posted by Zed Zed wrote:

I had been trying to keep the powder level in the hopper between 1/2 and 2/3rds; which requires regular top up's. My reason for this is the weight of powder in the hopper may have a slight effect on the amount being dropped into the doser. However mixing a new pot on top of an older one was not a good idea. I'm thinking I should write the case weights on each case with a marker pen; so I can check the finished weight of each round as a safety check, and also as a guide to load tolerance of the rig.

 For info I use a Dillon 650; mainly because it's good for the .45 rounds as well. It has needed a few minor tweaks to get it to dose and load accurately; extra elastic on the doser slide, trim the spring for the detent ball under the plate,which was causing too much shake and spitting out a few grains, also reduce the free play in the plate to zero. If not there is a wider variation in OAL.
 
I'll get the Chrono out next wekend and test a few of these rounds, see where we are.


I don't believe weighing your loaded ammo will help unless you always sort your bullets and brass by weight before you load ammo. Weight variations for brass and bullets will frequently exceed the powder weight variations.
I ran into that with some commercial 44 Magnum reloads which damaged a S&W Model 29. I could not make sense out of the loaded round weights. I disassembled some and found they were loaded with about 1/8" of WW296 in the bottom of a 44 Magnum case. Bullet weight variation for the 240 JHP bullets was larger than the powder charge weight. So was the variations in weight for individual cases which were not all matching head stamps, but the weight variations among matching head stamps also exceeded the powder charge weight.
Just for info, the loading manuals caution against light charges of WW296 as they detonate. This commercial reloader was so cheap they were counting on the detonation vice burn rate to achieve their claimed "97% of factory load pressure."
I also check my final few loaded rounds against my load data tag just to be sure I haven't made a mistake.
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Agreed that weighing the completed round is of no real use when looking for accuracy. In this instance it was more for a safety check to make sure I was not too low. The 5 or 6 rounds that were below average were pulled and reloaded. This lot of ammo will be for practice and plinking.
Also had my first case separation while shooting some of these last week and inspecting the other fired cases shows fatigue near the base. At least I now know what to look for and select the cases for match shooting.
I think it may be a good idea to mark case weights on each one prior to loading so it's easy to check after completion. The Sierra Match orgives seem very regular in weight as do the Fed Match primers; at least regular enough for a check for safety.
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