Trouble properly Identifying my Enfield.

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   I recently acquired this gun, i know its an Enfield by the markings and i know the stock has been changed out, but still having some issues with figuring out what actual type it is for sure.  Any assistance would be EXCELLENT!From the markings i can make out it says  GR B 1942 SHT LE III * F.I.R.

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ken2756 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 18 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote ken2756 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Trouble properly Identifying my Enfield. Posted: February 18 2014 at 1:47pm
	I recently acquired this gun, i know its an Enfield by the markings and i know the stock has been changed out, but still having some issues with figuring out what actual type it is for sure. Any assistance would be EXCELLENT! From the markings i can make out it says GR B 1942 SHT LE III * F.I.R.

Zed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: May 01 2012 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6460	Post Options Post Reply Quote Zed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 5:03am
	It appears to be a sporterized Lee Enfield (SMLE) No1 MkIII* "GR" is for George Rex with the crown symbol above. "Sht LE" is for Short Magazine Lee Enfield. Is it possible the "F.I.R." could be FTR ? which would be Factory Through Repair. I'm sure others on the forum who are far more knowledgeable than I will be able to give more info on maker etc; and correct me if I have made an error
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Bear43 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: August 11 2010 Location: Doland, SD Status: Offline Points: 3500	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bear43 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 6:47am
	Zed got it for you. A little more is that it is a BSA rifle manufactured in 1942...... whoa.... There's an issue here in looking at the pictures. Serial number on the barrel matches receiver but barrel is dated 1918 on a 1942 dated receiver? That is a bit concerning.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 16999	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 7:59am
	im thinking a mixmaster of parts , the B on the socket suggests 'BSA Co' as the mfgr , but as they are really scrubbed looking im not sure of anything here , except that BSA was the last rmkIII/III* mfgr in that time period in england , oh , and its been sported ,

ken2756 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 18 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote ken2756 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:22am
	So basically its a Hodgepodge gun that is relatively worthless or not? Also upon closer inspection it looks like it does say F.T.R. I originally thought it was F.I.R. but i can make out what looks to be the top of the T.

SW28fan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: July 02 2007 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 3389	Post Options Post Reply Quote SW28fan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 10:26am
	Another welcome to our Merry Band Your rifle originally was like the one on top
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muffett.2008 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: December 09 2011 Location: scone. nsw Status: Offline Points: 751	Post Options Post Reply Quote muffett.2008 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 19 2014 at 4:33pm
	It is a 1918 BSA, FTR'd in 1942. The barrel must have been +80% to remain unchanged.

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	It doesn't look like it has a magazine, either.(Unless its a 5 round) Hoadie
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ken2756 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: February 18 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4	Post Options Post Reply Quote ken2756 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 20 2014 at 4:44am
	I have the magazine for it as well, just did not have it in when i took the pictures. So would it be worth it to put it back onto original stock? And also is it hard to do or if i go that route should i find a gunsmith? because looking at a lot these guns, the front sight post and muzzle look a lot different. I got it because i collect anything and everything from WWII usually military items, i have a good collection going but saw this and picked it up to go with my collection.

SW28fan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: July 02 2007 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 3389	Post Options Post Reply Quote SW28fan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 20 2014 at 7:34am
	If the barrel has not been cut, and yours does not look to have been, they are easy to restore. The major parts dealers: Numrich, Springfield Sporter's and Liberty Tree Collectors should have what you need. Here is a link to a schematic: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/SMLEAlsoSeeEnfield-33496/No1MKIII-42039/PartsList-37597.htm Parts 28 & 29 were deleted on the No1 MkIII*
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A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 16999	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 20 2014 at 8:14am
	"...relatively worthless..." NO , i would not say that , if its restored it will be a nice representation of the 42 FTR mkIII* , and if it shoots well it will be a shooter too , even as it is , and from what muffet posted and a re-look on my part i was wrong about the 'mixmaster label' , i see it is a matching 1918 dated receiver/barrel ,

Bear43 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: August 11 2010 Location: Doland, SD Status: Offline Points: 3500	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bear43 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 20 2014 at 10:26pm
	The 1942 FTR would explain why the serials match on receiver and barrel and why the 42 is struck so much deeper than the rest of the marks. I didn't know they stamped over the original date at some point. I am used to seeing the FTR year below the other markings or on the other side in some cases.

A square 10 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Special Member Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 16999	Post Options Post Reply Quote A square 10 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: February 21 2014 at 11:14am
	me too , that was my confliction ....

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	Looking for year of production please.
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	Couldn't be plainer Hoadie
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