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This is the thread I should have posted to on my recent results. Although the 40.3 gr Varget load has shot some good groups, I found over time is it not consistent. That is because it is not producing consistent muzzle velocity. Some 10 shot groups show quite low extreme spread and standard deviations, others are not.

Next will be a bullet seating depth round robin test to see if there is an optimal seating depth. 

The objective is to consistently get muzzle velocity Extreme Spread to within 30 FPS to reduce the vertical point of impact dispersion at 600 yards. 




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To continue this thread from my other tread on the reloading forum regarding how much effect from changing primers, this next test will be varying the bullet seating depth, all other variables will be held constant as far as possible. 

I’ve ruled out cartridge case weight variations. For the round robin test done on powder charge weight, I checked all the cases fired that day.  Of the 25 rounds fired, the max weight was 168.7 gr and min was 164.1 for am extreme spread of 4.6 grains. Muzzle Velocity and Elevation POI had no correlation with case weight. 

I’ve chosen 40.5 grains of Varget charge weight for the bullet seating depth test that gave the least amount of vertical spread of POI at 600 yds for a targeted mean velocity of 2410 fps. That selection came from the plot below. I’m expecting a slight velocity increase with the deeper bullet seating depths so I dropped the 40.6 grain charge by 0.1 grains to try and stay away from that elevation step up that occurs around 2430 fps.  In the plot below, the cartridge OAL was 3.07 inches. 



I measured the throat length on the No. 4 T, now at 1700 total rounds fired, with a Hornady Bullet Comparator and OAL Gage. The 174 gr SMK contacts the lands at 2.708 inch Cartridge Base to Ogive of the bullet. 

Here are the bullet seating depths (all dimensions in inches) I’ve chosen and approx cartridge overall length.  Note the bullet jump to the lands is quite a bit, such is the nature of the Lee Enfield chamber and throat dimensions:

Load #   CBTO   OAL    Jump

   1        2.470  3.050   0.238
   2        2.475  3.055   0.233
   3        2.480  3.060   0.228
   4        2.485  3.065   0.223
   5        2.490  3.070   0.218

I’m really not expecting to see much correlation of seating depth to muzzle velocity variation, but I want to rule this out and see if there is a seating depth that brings tighter groups at 600 yards. 

Weather permitting, I’ll run the ladder test on Friday.




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how much temp variation has been involved in your testing ? that can cause some of the deviation if its more than a couple degrees , 

how do you like the garman - ive been thinking to get something - is it difficult to use ? remember im old and not overly tech savvy 
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

how much temp variation has been involved in your testing ? that can cause some of the deviation if its more than a couple degrees , 

how do you like the garman - ive been thinking to get something - is it difficult to use ? remember im old and not overly tech savvy 

Mike, I really like the Garmin, it works great and is supposed to be very accurate. The best thing is the simplicity. Set it down beside the rifle pointing down range, that’s it.  A few simple menu selections to make. You can link it to your smart phone to save all the data.

As to temp variations during the ladder tests, it’s quite minimal, no more than a few degrees. Varget is quite temp stable, and I have verified this.  

Doing these tests in a “round Robin” method spreads out the environmental changes evenly to all test loads. And that’s also the case for barrel heating and fouling. In the round robin method, you shoot one shot of each different load, then shoot the second shot of each load, and so on.  What you DON’T want to do is shoot all shots of load 1, then all shots of load 2 as barrel and environment are changing and that can affect results. 




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thanks , im going to look into the garmin , it sounds so simple that even i can handle it , beats heck out of that traditional rabbits ears setup downrange of the muzzle that needs RO permission here - of coarse i am an RO so thats not much issue for me and my friend that has that setup but ....i like simplicity , 

as to that round robin - im going to use that with my 4570 loads that im working up this winter , thanks , in the past we always shot groups of five in succession , probably fine for our cowboy loads but i can see that round robin helping with my long range ammo 
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Thanks Geoff - looking forward to the next instalment.
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Keep on doing this its forming a body of knowledge in depth.Thumbs UpThank you

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