New pattern 1907 Wilkinson bayonet for my 1909 No |
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Whitjr
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Posted: February 18 2020 at 6:01pm |
Over the summer, I found this in South Dakota, on a estate auction, was please to have been the high bidder @ $40.- It appears to have some blood pitting on it, however the sheath is in really good shape for it's age. There are marks on the blade that I think are a reconditioning date. I reconditioned the sheath leather a bit, and it looked better immediately. I found a supposedly original frog on slease-bay for $18.-, and it fits fine on the scabbard, the rivets are a bit worn and blemished. Used the same leather reconditioned on it, and it perked up nicely. Photos below.
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A square 10
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looks like a nice enough grab , $40 was a good buy with the scabbard , the leather frog at $18 is about right ,
the two digits below left and right of the 1907 are the original date and i cannot see the right but the left appears to be 9 = sept , below that is the mfgr - wilkinson , the other side is inspection markings i cant see either , i think you did fine on it ,
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Whitjr
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Thanks, A Square 10 So the numbers to the left and right of the 1907 are the original date? So, the pattern 1907 was kept in production for quite some time, I guess.
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The Armourer
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Getting on for 40 years. The Indians were still making No1 Mk3 rifles into the very late 80's, although they eventually produced a shortened version of the 1907 bayonet. |
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Whitjr
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Wow.. never thought to see a "1987" date on a No1 Mark 3! Interesting! my thoughts were that this rifle was out of production after the 1950's.
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The Armourer
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There are a lot of '80's No1 Mk3's about. Here is a 1986 |
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Whitjr
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Learning new stuff here. Is that the fondly referred to "Drunken Monkey" stamped on the band above the date?
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The Armourer
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I doubt it, it is 4 lions above cart wheels and various animals. A very old symbol of India. It was originally placed on the top of the Ashoka pillar at the important Buddhist site of Sarnath by the Emperor Ashoka, in about 250 BCE. The pillar, sometimes called the Aśoka Column, is still in its original location, but the Lion Capital is now in the Sarnath Museum, in the state of Uttar Pradesh, India. Standing 2.15 metres (7 feet) high including the base, it is more elaborate than the other very similar surviving capitals of the pillars of Ashoka bearing the Edicts of Ashoka that were placed throughout India several of which feature single animals at the top; one other damaged group of four lions survives, at Sanchi. The capital is carved out of a single block of polished sandstone, and was always a separate piece from the column itself. It features four Asiatic Lions standing back to back. They are mounted on an abacus with a frieze carrying sculptures in high relief of an elephant, a galloping horse, a bull, and a lion, separated by intervening spoked chariot-wheels. The whole sits upon a bell-shaped lotus. The capital was originally crowned by a 'Wheel of Dharma' (Dharmachakra popularly known in India as the "Ashoka Chakra"), with 32 spokes, of which a few fragments were found on the site. A 13th-century replica of the Sarnath pillar and capital in Wat Umong near Chiang Mai, Thailand built by King Mangrai, preserves its crowning Ashoka Chakra or Dharmachakra. The wheel on the capital, below the lions, is the model for the one in the flag of India. |
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Zed
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40 dollars is a good deal for the bayonet. Looks like a 9/18 date to me.
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hoadie
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I have a pic & news item on my phone sent to me by friend in Blighty. Its about the Indian Police now decommissioning the Lee Enfield. It was current news on 28 January. (I dunno if the Indian gov't releases these for sale or not)
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Loose wimmen tightened here
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Bear43
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Where in South Dakota did you find this deal? I am super curious now since I live in the state! Also, the "drunken monkey" reference is usually referring to stampings on Maltby manufactured No 4 rifles. It is said a lot that it looks like a drunken monkey stamped the markings on them. Anyway, you did good to find a Pattern '07 bayonet for $40. They go much higher most times.
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Whitjr
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Very informative, The Armourer! You provided Quite some detail on the capital, there. I suppose that if I were a native of India, I might be offended by my loose reference to “the drunken monkey.”
Hodie- interesting news from India about decommissioning the Lee-Enfields. I suspect that we will see some of these stateside in the future. Bear 43- I subscribe to an organization that notifies me of estate sales. Some are online, some are not. I found my Pattern 1907 in an online estate sale, and I was prepared to battle for this bayonet, however, it seems that I was the successful bidder on it. I would have paid much more, and was delighted in the final price. Even with the “Bidders Premium” charged by the auctioneers, and the USPS mail fee, I have about USD $63.xx in it. Here is the website. This company has divisions for nearly every state in the USA. Thanks to all for an informative post!
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The Armourer
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As both the USA & India are signatories to the UN plans to reduce the trade in military firearms if they are not retained locally they will be destroyed. The article states that the Indians are planning to convert them to 'riot rifles' (type unknown) so maybe we will see more of these |
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Shamu
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The "Drunken Monkey" refers to the rather haphazard alignment of letters & numbers in some rifles. Its not actually a graphic of a monkey.
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