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    Posted: April 12 2021 at 9:18pm
lot of folks are regretting how they voted these days - ATF is overloaded with new gun buyers - not sure about you folks but ive not bought anything recently - think its liberals buying guns these days - good luck getting ammo for them tho ,

i already have a couple guns and the ammo and i know how to shoot them , with the hubub in the cities these days we may actually feel comfortable here in the land of "rocks and cows" just because of that , it seems we will not be out from under this cloud for some time to come , yesterdays shooting is as bad if not worse than the current trial , ill hold my opinions close for now but the released body cameras video is not looking good at this point , and our liberal governor and the liberal mayors are not helping the matter at all ,

last night the looting revisited the last area they hit as well as new areas , robbing from the stores that just recovered from last years riots , they wont rebuild again so those neighborhoods just lost the rest of their services , im thinking taxpayers will vote to stop rebuilding that mess , tonight there is a curfew from 7pm to 6am - wonder if the governor has the balls to enforce it ? we shall see in the morning .............
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Keep your head (& your butt) down & your powder dry.
There was a lot of "buzz" on a couple of S&P sub forums about "not going to the country, because we don't want your city ways".
I seized the moment & got the heck out of the NY Metro area almost 22 years ago & now I'm (barely) accepted as "just a part  of the scenery" round here.
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Looking at the tension caused by the firearms debat in the USA; I ask myself how would I tackle the problem! Or should I say problems! because there are multiple issues here.

 Just trying to stop ownership is not effective or fair to those law abiding citizens who own and assume the responsability of ownership. It also polarises the population; which will generate more insecurity and distrust between the different opinions.

So without any political position or persuasion; here is a short list of things that I think should be considered to help solve the problem: Please add your own!

1: Education. School curiculum should have firearm safety included for all. As you would road safety.

2: Improve mental illness health care for ALL that need it.

3: Law enforcement should pay more attention to illegal weapons.

4: Encourage responsable ownership; use a gun cabinet or safe for storage.

5: Oblige private sales to register  the transfer of ownership, as you would a vehicle.

6: Invite opponents to your gun club to show them what a safe sport it is! 






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I agree with most of them. but I strongly disagree with the 5th item.
I was a responsible British firearms  owner & everything was registered, heck we we even voluntarily gave up the right to search & seizure before we could legally own one.
But the U.S. Social & political climate is so very different that I don't see a parallel here.

I would add something along the lines of doubling fines in work areas by doubling fines (& sentences) for any crime of violence where a firearm was used. I say violent crime where used because the U.S. process is so much more deceptive than the European one that things like parking tickets would be considered grounds for doubled fines if a hunting rifle was locked in the trunk.
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I agree with Sham.  There are cities that either do not prosecute crimes with firearms, or let them out of jail.  The government would just rather clamp down on those who obey the laws and make it harder for us to own firearms. 
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To quote an often quoted meme.
Its not about Guns, Its about control.
There's a debate on F/B between (among others) Tony's Son & I.
The hardest thing to communicate across the "two nations divided by a common language"? its the fact that similarities bury differences.
He was a child of the 90's, he was born into a "no semi-Auto" culture, so he accepts it as normal, & why not? Its the only thing he's ever experienced!

"Back in the day", I preferred the No4 Mk1 to the Ess Ell Arr, "elephant gun". & to an extent I still do. But he never had the opportunity to make the choice. It was made for him before he was a twinkle in Tony's eye.
THAT'S how gun ownership will die.
THAT'S how Gun Control  will (maybe) win.
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Has anyone on this forum experienced government changes in gun ownership laws that made it less restrictive and easier to purchase and own a firearm? 

It doesn’t happen that way, the laws continually get more restrictive.  

It’s starts with a National registry.

One day, that 1887 Trapdoor Springfield on my wall will be called an “assault rifle”.  
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i cant argue with any sentiment but ...

"..5: Oblige private sales to register  the transfer of ownership, as you would a vehicle...." 
that is not acceptable here , we are constitutionally given the right and the government cannot do this without breaking the law - not saying they will not try it tho , 

in the end its not the guns that are the problem , its the people using them illegibly , but none of the laws go after them , they only affect the law abiding population , 
"...2: Improve mental illness health care for ALL that need it...." this would do more than all the other laws combined , 

AND "...Its not about Guns, Its about control..... this is the real heart of the issue 

our current state of law enforcement is in real turmoil and this most recent event will make it worse , its never as simple as it appears either - the first arresting officer was a black man - he lost control of the perp and this female officer [white] stepped in and made a mistake , ill not try to justify in any way , but we werent there , the adrenalin was off the charts , it will play out in court , that poor woman will live with her actions the rest of her life , it smacks of the previous event a few years back when an innocent austrailian woman was shot in the cities , not at all good in either case , 

this morning there was a convoy of national guard headed down to the cities , im sure they will be trying to keep the peace tonight , god protect them and may we have a quiet one please , 



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I`ve said this before and I`ll say it again, as in Canada and other U.N. party towing nations, its all about control and has nothing to do with the proliferation of small arms, or keeping small arms away from children, that`s all smoke and mirrors.
Its about disarming the general population, it`s much easier to control the masses if they`re not armed, this has already happened in a lot of common wealth countries, its slow and steady but progressing.
You in the States are just starting to see it rear its ugly head, gov`ts will lie and orchestrate all kinds of shyte to sways things their way.

I started young with firearms, hunting with my father and great uncle at age 8, I was given the use of a late 19th century Remington pump .22 and was taught marksman ship.
Later in life I became a bonified collector under Canadian law pre 1998 OIC, after which I saw my status vaporize due to lack of interest in re-ing up my status, most of my collection became prohibited overnight, M16`s, Ak`s FAL`s, most I sold to those who wanted display units, others I was forced to get rid of, sad really, and now the second wave, we`re seeing the demise of semi auto rifles in Canada starting to disappear.
I know the gov`t realizes they will never fully be able to control the ownership of every firearm in Canada, there are a lot that have been squirreled away, But I`m sure the next round will include penalties like we`ve never seen before if one is caught in possession of such hidden away guns.

Awe, the good ole dazes when no one cared as long as you didn`t hurt yourself or others.


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In 2013 we had a change to the rules that made it easier to own military bolt action rifles. 
Prior to that, "Military" calibres required special autorisation, similar to the regulations for a pistol.
But the rules were illogical, because you could own a .308 bolt action hunting rifle with a hunting licence; but not a 7.62 bolt action military rifle, because it was military! despite the fact that they have equal performance. This led to many military rifles being modified to civilian calibres, such as ".303 Sporting"
Since 2013 it's been easier to buy original military bolt actions; which is a good thing.

But! it's not all good! There have been changes recently for semi auto rifles such as AK's. I'm not sure of all the details, but it's more restrictive.

I think "Control" of the population is rampant in all gouvernments these days. Whether it be gun ownership or vehicle ownership. Speeding fines, parking fines, etc. 

Education is the key to improving quality of life. In France they put up loads of speed cameras; then lowered the speed limit to get money; the say the cameras reduce road deaths; without any mention of the change in vehicle technology; which has a major impact on the survival rate. There are still the same number of accidents! With better education of drivers and higher levels of training over the first few years; you will reduce the number of accidents. That will automatically reduce the death rate.

A similar attitude to gun ownership; proper training via gun clubs and gun safety at school will reduce accidents and hopefully channel the curiosity into positive safe handling of firearms.

Unfortunately I think that you are correct; politicians are more interested in control instead of solutions. Thats a shame because the long term solution is only sustainable via education and freedom to decide for yourself.
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Maybe I'm off base here but I left the U.K. permanently in '82 & was there only periodically for several years before that.
I remember FAC's requiring 4 "referees" now it seems to be only 2?

It seems & I may be mistaken that the emphasis there has shifted from double & triple checking the shooter to restricting the type of firearm they can own?
No semi-auto, no pistols, no more shotgun permits but full-blown FACs & so on.
I don't know weather its an easing or simply a different focus?
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