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Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

I researched Appleseed at lunch and really like the program.  IL has a few options but neighboring WI has a bunch of courses scheduled. I will definitely register.  Understand it Mt is the begging of skills development. Duly noted!

Zed, you are a genius. I didn’t think of a 22 enfield.  Back to the sale boards I go...if anyone has a surplus Australian 22 enfield I would be interested....

Be aware that there are rapid fire stages in the Appleseed program with magazine changes.  They teach four positions:  Standing Slow Fire, Sitting Rapid Fire, Prone Rapid Fire and Prone Slow Fire.  A great rifle to learn on is a Ruger 10-22, but any magazine fed .22 can be used.   A semi-auto does make it easier to learn the rapid stages as it gives you more time to concentrate on the fundamentals.  The principles you learn can be applied to any rifle, and certainly a Lee Enfield.

 Your first clinic will be at 25 yards with progressively smaller targets as you work through the 4 stages.  Once you qualify as a Rifleman, you can then take a Known Distance Clinic, these are typically at 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards through the 4 stages.  I also took an Appleseed Unknown Distance Clinic which teaches you how to estimate range and then shoot on targets that are at an unknown distance out to 500 yards. 

I took 5 or 6 Appleseed Clinics, all three I described above.  I qualified Rifleman on my first .22 25 yard clinic, but I learned so much on that first Clinic, I signed up for another 25 yard clinic just to soak up a bit more information and ask questions.  I was fortunate to have exceptionally good instructors.  I then did an Known Distance clinic and worked to get a score of 50/50 which I did with my AR.  I thought after that, I knew how to shoot, but I later realized at that point I was just a novice, there was much much more to learn, and that journey began when I started competing in CMP Matches (with the M1 and Vintage Military Rifle Matches which I used my No. 4).  

After 5 years, I’ve slowly climbed up the latter and now routinely shoot a Gold Medal score in the CMP Games matches and usually place in the top 3, sometimes will win.  I thought, now I know how to shoot.  Then I entered NRA and CMP Hi Power Service Rifle Matches and realized I was wrong again.  Those guys who are at the top of that game are incredibly good shooters.  They include serving members of the Army Marksmanship Units (AMUs) and other military service professional rifle team members, and some are serving Snipers.  So, I’ve been working my way up that latter since last year.  I’m now just able to score a CMP Master classification, but I would like to get to High Master which requires a 98/100 average score in the CMP Service Rifle National Match course (200 Yds Standing Slow Fire, 200 Yards Sitting Rapid Fire, 300 Yards Prone Rapid Fire and 600 Yards Prone Slow Fire).  The last match I shot in I was just 1 point (out of 800) from a High Master score, that is I shot a 783 out of 800.  Each of the four stages has its own challenges, which is what makes it so interesting.  

And if I sought out the next level, what ever that is (Olympic?) I would realize that I’m just a novice shooter. 

This is a journey, and for me, it all started with my first Project Appleseed Clinic about 10 years ago. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2021 at 12:29pm
Expect to pay more for an Enfield .22 trainer than for a .303.
But they are continuing to increase in price, so a good investment; plus I think it's impossible to wear out the barrels.
I have 4x  Lee Enfield .22's; they are just so much fun and also generally very accurate. They are mostly single shot; which is s light disadvantage in competition if shooting against the Mas45 for example, that has a magazine.
They are probably more difficult to find in the USA.
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AussieShooter. 
I converted a No4Mk1* Long Branch to .22LR.  It is a single shot with a loading platform in the magazine.  It has a Parker Hale PH5C rear target sight with Gehmann optics and a Parker Hale PH1 front globe sight with various inserts that are kept in a brass holder that is inletted  into the buttstock.  It also has a Bisley palm swell and bipod attached.  I might consider parting with it...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote A square 10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2021 at 4:05pm
this reminds me again of both my charnwood and one of my Cno7s i once had that were fitted with the bipods - they shot wee and might have been interesting discussion had i kept them , i did not - trading fodder for thors i really wanted in the collection as im not the shooter some of you are , in hind sight , i might ;like to have them back to retire with -

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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

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Be aware that there are rapid fire stages in the Appleseed program with magazine changes.  They teach four positions:  Standing Slow Fire, Sitting Rapid Fire, Prone Rapid Fire and Prone Slow Fire.  A great rifle to learn on is a Ruger 10-22, but any magazine fed .22 can be used.   A semi-auto does make it easier to learn the rapid stages as it gives you more time to concentrate on the fundamentals.  The principles you learn can be applied to any rifle, and certainly a Lee Enfield......


Great news...I found a good deal on a used Ruger 10/22 and it should arrive to my FFL later this week.   There are several Appleseeds in late July/August and if the work and family schedule allows I will enroll for the traditional two day workshop.  I am very excited, and look forward to the day I can proudly post my targets on the virtual shoot page!  Right now, not so much :)

As a side note, most used Ruger 10/22 are selling for basically the same cost as a new Ruger 10/22 if you factor in postage, and if you can find the new rifle. The seller of my rifle said he was surprised it took so long to sell (1 week)!  I'll update again after the event!  Thanks for all the advice.
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I had to defer my Appleseed for business/family reasons. Just too busy in the summer.  However I did get my 10/22 and have taken it to the range for a few rounds and familiarity. I really like the rifle and see why it is so popular with shooters.  My Ruger came with a Simmons scope which I have not yet attached. My question is should I learn with the scope, iron sights, or something in between such as Tech Sites?  I read an article written by someone experienced attending an Appleseed event and they recommend the Tech Site. My shooting with the iron sites is not very good, so sights are probably required. Thanks for chiming in.  
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Tech Sights are nothing more than higher quality Iron Sights. IMHO they are not needed on a 10/22 because the stock sights are good enough and after learning how to use them you will be better off. PS  They are most likely "dead on" from the Factory,,, at least all the Ruger guns I've had were dead on from the factory.

On my 10/22 I mounted a Bushnell TRS 25 Red Dot Sight (@$65-90 on line) and that is the easiest Sighting System to use there is.  You put the Dot on the Target and pull the Trigger. Also this 3 oz sight doesn't affect the Quick Handling of the gun in any way.

You can probably sell that Simmons Scope for enough to pay for the Red Dot Sight.

Here's a pic of my gun
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hi Randy.  Thanks for the overview of options.  I was tending to do the Appleseed with the iron sights as a way to force me to learn to shoot well. I believe the initial range is 25 yards and I can still see we’ll enough at this distance. Cool

Great tip on the red dot and that seems like a fair price. 

This might be off topic, but do you have a recommendation on a scope/sight for a shot gun and deer season?  Would that red dot be suitable also??
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Some place in one of my boxes I have an original #5 pusher with the two wing screws.
Bought it on a lark but never used it so it got packed up. I'm away from my home PC for a time but I will post it at some time.

Because of the #5 flash conebit won't work on any other Enfield.
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Your range with a shotgun is going to be >100 yards so yes a Red dot would work fine for a shotgun.

Do make sure your barrel has a Cantilever Scope mounting rail because mounting it on the Receiver will change the Point of Impact everytime you fire the gun. Looser Barrel to Receiver fit usually doesn't yield a Solid and repeatable interface.  

With one mounted to the barrel you'll be fine as the sight moves with the barrel..

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Thanks Randy.  It does have a cantilever mounting rail.   Have a great weekend.
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