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Honestly, I think the history would add to the value for a lot of people. It's one of the reasons for buying milsurps in the first place.
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Ok....  lose the rear volly sight piece or add the front missing piece, have both or have neither.  Someone mentioned that the charger half was missing, however i don’t always see (in my research) the charger on these rifles. I’m not sure what is to be done with that bit.  There is no magazine cutoff either.

Hmmm....
Apparently what is ‘wrong’ with the rifle isn’t exactly terrible, more of a well done restoration with the best parts available to the previous owner...  missing some of the true original stuff, however not missing much in the newly added components.  All of this affects the value, which would be somewhat less than if in all original condition.

Another thing that makes me go: Hmmm...
This rifle had gone to Ireland, returned, and continued its world travels, ending up in The Old North State (as North Carolina is sometimes referred to).  Is that determination made from the serial numbers and associated lists?

It’s my anniversary today, so maybe best if I put this away and pay attention to her for awhile,,,,

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You are tiptoeing into the realm of Enfield collectors. Some are very discerning and will only consider untouched examples exactly as found. They will pay a premium for the right piece. They would not give this one even a second glance.

Others have criteria that is not as demanding (he!!o, that is me) and are more into the function and the history of the rifle, so replacing a part to make it work is part of the game.

I restore older Lee Metfords and Enfields. I spend an inordinate amount of time gathering up the right parts for my projects. I source them from all over the world. Ya gotta love the internet. 
When I complete a project, I make no pretense that it is a rework. It will be correct with all the right version of parts and accessories. The finish will be worn but there will be no signs of neglect or abuse. It will look its age. It will be authentic, but not original. Some people have difficulty seeing the difference.

If I got a barreled action and assembled it with all correct used factory parts, nothing repro, it would be what? It would be a parts gun, nothing more. Authentic yes, original no.
I have seen some of my work doing the rounds changing hands between collectors over the years. Some sell for triple for what I sold, mainly because the provenance of the rifle has been lost. Some of my parts guns have appeared on dealers' sites with a story of where it has likely been and some of its history.

Then there are those who like to just build good working guns (he!!o again) without regard to having the exact version of replacement part. I will rebuild and if I need to replace a bolt head or trigger guard on a long Lee with one from a Sht.LE, to make it 100% mechanical wise, no problem. In a similar way I will put aftermarket tires, brake shoes or battery on my original vintage Harley.

This rifle of yours is not a collector piece in the sense that it has been modified by the fitting of parts from different models. Still a good rifle, just no longer to original specs. It still has a story.

Value? Dont go off the prices of original rifles. Dont go off what people ask on auction sites. Go by the price at which they sold, not listed. Geographical area has an effect on value too.
Sometimes what sells here in Canada will sell for double in the States.

The value in this one is having a good working rifle for the range or for hunting. There is added collector interest (not value) because it is based upon an older rifle. Ballpark figure would be 50% for what an original might sell. $525? Ya, you did ok.

I forgot about my anniversary once. And only the once!!!!!
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E-Man,
 
Isn't that a F-R stamp in photo 4 on page one?
 
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no that is ER and the prefix on the newer serial number applied when it was refurbed for the irish as mentioned in simons excellent rendition of what appears to have happened to this rifle in its life , 

i dont think i would be hasty about anything change wise - its fine as it sits , it has been a great discussion piece , unless something particularly offends you keep it as is for the time being and you can look for what you might want to change out later , every change alters the rifle and its story - look how deep it already is ...

restoring it as simon does will take a lot of time and effort - and some serious money in the end , if you are concerned about its value it might not be the project to undertake , this will be a  labor of love - not an investment to realize financial gain on , it will be a loss in dollars but in satisfaction it would be a huge win , 

talk to bear before you would abandon or sell it off , he is working on one , if you decide to keep it as is - i would congratulate you on a fine rifle to add to your accumulation , if you choose to restore it i will commend you on your dedication to the enfields , 

BTW - i want one of simon's long lees but that pesky boarder puts a crimp on my desire , 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hoadie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2018 at 3:33am
A SQ: There is one possibility for you, on the Long Lee.
As we have been talking about in the other post..ATFB MAY view a Long Lee as an "antique". You would have to enquire. They don't charge for questions.
And as previous posting..Simon can ship with no problems..If its viewed as "Antique" ATFB will tell you what to do, & Bobs yer uncle!
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Thanks to all that have posted responses...  


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