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    Posted: April 18 2019 at 11:39am
well it had to happen some time!
Last weekend was our Departmental (county)Service rifle competitions. I got well beaten by the "Missus" in the Trainer category. We both use No8 .22's.
I had a good practice (49/50); but dropped the level on the 10 rounds prone scoring only 94/100. then I bombed out in the standing round with 76/100.
The Wife had a slightly lower practice score; but came back with a 97/100 prone and 80/100 standing. This is her best score in competition so far.
so well done to her!

However I got some pride back on Sunday with the 200 metres large calibre rifle class. I lent her my Fulton's No4Mk1/2 so I could try out my "resistance" No4Mk1.

She needs more practice with the .303 as it was the first 200 metre competition for her; reasonable groups but wrong part of the target.
I shot 142/200 which I was quite happy with as the rifle is bog standard and I have not had time to setup since fitting the singer rear.

In the modified class I shot 161/200 with the 1929 BSA No1MkIII* fitted with an AG Parker No9 sight.

Our 200 metre targets have an 8cm (approx 3.25") 10 ring and 16cm 9 ring.

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Nice, which No9 do you have, there are at least 3 versions I know of?

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Zed, I was fully expecting a comical story of some guy getting beat up by an upset wife LOL
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Sorry to disappoint Bear! Although I do have to keep the safe keys hidden some days!!
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Shamu; I believe my sight is a 1920's production; not sure but it is AG Parker; like your one. Not AJ Parker or BSA
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Sweet. let me pick your brain for a second if I may.
 
I'm in the process of writing a user manual for the 9G, like I did with the PH5A. Basically retyping & rephotographing to replicate the original, but as a legible .PDF. (I go blind trying to read those horrible 99th gen photocopies.)

I'm finished with the one for the PH5A, but am stuck on a blurred original for the No9.
I know both are nominally 1/2 MOA clicks, but there's stuff about "The Enfield Inch" & changing elevations because of the Long lee to SMLE sight distance & so on.


What do you do (if anything) to "fix" or compensate for them?
I'm thinking a PS or footnote but I don't want to introduce wild red herrings into the mix!

ps feel free to download the PDF if you like it!
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i had vissions of bruises and lacerations but am relieved to know you finally learned what we all know - women can outshoot men [ my wife can outshoot me with my favorite rifle - never having held it before ] just sayin , 
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Shamu, I've not had enough experience with the No9 sight to make any valid observations yet. Had no range time last year except two competitions. Have joined a second club for 200 metre practice so will have more time playing with it this year. I would keep your document as per original if i were you. If you need more info I could e-mail a friend who knows more about these.

A Square, yes my wife has a natural talent for shooting; but rarely practices. When she get's used to the .303 I'll have some serious competition. She just scraped through the qualification with a low 74/200 last weekend. But her first ever 200 metre practice shoot she did much better, hitting 75/100 with her first 10 shots.
Regional finals next month so should get some practice before then.
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Yes, A.G., Vs A.J. they were father & son, the son did much of the development work on the aperture sights, & that caused the falling out that led to "Parkers in Birmingham" & "Parker-Hale". As far as I  figure out AGP & The Bisley Works lasted from about 1910 to approximately 1928. Oh BTW I got it reversed. BSA gave sights & sight bodies to AGP, not the other way round.

That's the whole problem, the original is illegible!
The P-H5A one was legible, al be it marginally, but the No9 one is just a smudge that is unreadable. The resolution is so damaged that smaller characters (like fractions) are just a blob.
If you could ask your friend for a clarification I'd be grateful. Here's the passage to give content to the numbers.
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"As one minute movement of the aperture sight has the effect of altering the aim when using short Service Rifle by 1 1/5 inches per 100yds of range (2 2/5” at 200yds) it needs a somewhat finer adjustment then one ' to meet the case."

Each minute therefore is divided into ½ minutes by distinctive clicking device on both the elevation & windage gauge screw heads “O”& “M.

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I believe I've interpreted the smudge  correctly, but would like to confirm 100% before it becomes "fake internet".

 Then I found this on the PH-5A manual I'd already done this with:

"Firstly, however, know that each click of the adjusting knobs moves the eyepiece .005". Two clicks, therefore, move the aperture .01" and as the angle subtended by this movement in the length of the sight radius is nearly one minute, or one-sixtieth of a degree, it is customary to refer to each two clicks as "one minute." If this were a true minute of angle, the movement on the target per 100 yards of range for each two clicks would be 1.047", but as the angle is rather greater than one minute, this movement becomes nearly 1.2" or 1-1/5"."


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Zed, does your club shoot standing and prone at 200 meters?

 The 9 ring on your 200m target is a bit smaller than the US NRA Short Range (SR) target 10 ring at 200 yards which we use for the Vintage Military Rifle matches in all three stages: prone slow, prone rapid and standing slow fire.  The X ring is 3 inches, about the size of the 10 ring on your 200m target.  If I can get 5 out of 10 shots in the X ring shooting prone, I consider that good.  If I get one or more shots in the X ring in Standing position, I consider that lucky!  

Given the size of the scoring rings, you did very good.  


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For the 200 metre range we shoot prone only. Which is probably why the target is smaller. We shoot 5 rounds practice in 5 minutes where a spotting scope is allowed; then 10 rounds in 7 minutes for precision and then 10 rounds in 3 minutes for rapid fire. We can only use a spotting scope to view the target after completing the 10 shot's in each set.
I should get one practice session in before the next of the competition in May.
Hopefully get the sights on No4Mk1 fine tuned during the practice.
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Zed,  you would have to be an exceptional marksman indeed to get a clean score (all 20 shots in the 10 ring) on your 200m targets.  And of course, an above average rifle capable of consistent 10 shot groups 1.5 MOA or better.  That would equate to a score of 200-20x on the NRA SR Target (all shots in the X ring).   I've never seen that done here with a vintage bolt rifle, not saying it's never been done, but I can't find it in any of the CMP VMR (or M1, or Springfield) match records on line.    
 
 
The best I have done with the No. 4 is 100-8x in prone slow (10 minutes, spotting scope allowed) and 100-5x prone rapid (80 seconds starting from standing position, get in prone position, 5 rounds in magazine, one magazine reload; no time to use a spotting scope).  This is on the NRA Short Range (SR) Target at 200 yards as I described earlier in this thread.  The equivalent score on the targets you use would be about 193/200; minus a point or two to account for the longer range. 
 
Part of the difficulty here with score rings that small is it becomes critical to center the group and we only have a 1 MOA elevation adjustment, so fine tuning requires hold over/under.  A 10 mph+ cross wind would affect the bullet impact at 200 yds; and require holding into the wind a bit.  Tough to keep that all consistent when in the best of conditions, the shooter and rifle is just capable of holding a 10 shot group the diameter of the 10 ring (1.5 MOA).     
 
I wished we all used standard targets and standard ranges so that we can compare results across the pond.  Somehow we in the US retained the UK Imperial measurements while those in the UK adopted the French SI system...but that's another story! 
  
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