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    Posted: April 01 2019 at 6:17am
I moved my conversation in regards to my loading of .303 174 FMJ's to this reloading spot. I've done some more research (briterifles had brought to my attention the H4895 for 174gr and 180 is pushing the envelope at 39 grs. My manual (26th addition) had stated 40 gr was max for 180's. As I primarily use 150's for deer hunting (H4350, 3 grs below max) I'm now going to load 174's/180's to 36 gr of H4895. The two rifles I shoot these out of are my No4 L42A1 clone and my No4 Mk2 sniper clone. These are paper punchers, range Queens I call them. Velocity is not a requirement so much as accuracy. Thanks again for enlightening me!
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HT, please let us know how the reduced loads work.  H4895 is supposedly a good powder for reduced loads and does not suffer ignition problems with air space in the case.  I've started using H4895 in the .30-06 for my M1 where the load density is only about 80%.  I've never tried H4895 (or IMR4895) in the .303; it's on my "to do" list.   
My go to powder for the .303 is now Varget and it's performed well for me in temps ranging from 40 deg to 90 degF.  I was looking for a powder that shoots well in .30-06, 7.62 and .303 and Varget seemed to be that powder until I found it is not as consistent at low temperatures in reduced loads (such as .30-06). 
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Will do. I'll load some up today and hopefully hit the range on Thursday.
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4895 is a brilliant powder. Great for reduced loads but no longer available in Europe and the UK. This is a problem for me as I have a badly damaged right shoulder and the reduced recoil was a great help.
I now use Vihtavouri N140 and get similar results. I use it in both .303 rifles (No1MKIII and No.4 MK1*) and in 7.62 Nato (.308 Winchester) in my Envoy. I use a light, starter load, and it performs well up to 500 yards.
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Actually, I couldn't wait till Thursday. I had some neck sized brass all cleaned and primed, so I made a dozen rounds and hit the range. 174 FMJBT PPU, 36gr H4895. Did a slight correction on the scope with two rounds. Then I tried two 3 shot strings. 1st string was 1.72" @ 100 yds, second was 1.68". All in all, not too disappointed. Now I'll try the same load in my L42A1 clone on Thursday. Thanks again guys for all the info on H4895!
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One more question. Once I've shot the PPU 174 FMJ's, I'll probably go back to shooting 180 gr Sierra Prohunters out of my Sniper clone, L42A1 clone, and No5. Would the lighter load I mentioned up above be ok for a No1 MkIII? Thanks!
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HT, yes, 36 gr. H4895 with 180 gr Sierra PH would be perfectly fine with the No. 1 rifle.  
Your results seem quite good and much less wear and tear on the rifle, brass and shoulder. 
 
 
 
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Thanks again, britrifles! I like the simplicity of using one powder/projectile combo for 5 of my six Enfields. My No4 with a Bishop walnut stock and 3x9 Baush and Lomb shoots 150 gr Prohunters with H4350 very nice. It's killed a lot of deer! Im quite happy to get sub 2" groups @ 100 yds with the 174/180 great projectiles.
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By the way, in case others are not aware, there is a significant difference in max charge weights for IMR 4895 and H4895; load tables are not interchangeable for these powders. 
 
As a comparison, Hodgdon shows for a 150 gr Hornady SP .312 bullet, max charges are:
 
IMR 4895 44.2gr, 2689 fps, 46,600 PSI
    H4895 40.0gr, 2627 fps, 43,600 CUP
 
 
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That's one thing I did know! I had half a can of IMR 4895 (I used to shot it alot with 150 gr pill). My load was 42 gr (max in my old manual was 45 gr.) I did load some 150's with H4895 at 40 gr, max in my manual is 42 gr.) I've never used IMR 4895 with 180 gr, just H4895. Thanks for the info!
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Britrifles. I'm curious as to why the different Hodgon numbers. I have my Hodgon 26th Edition Data Manual in front of me. Since I'm using H4895, here are the manuals numbers for 150 then 180 .303 British:
150 gr H4895... starting load, 38.5 gr (2388 ft/sec.) max load, 42.0 gr (2479 ft/sec.)

180 gr H4895... starting load, 37 gr (2221 ft/sec.) max load, 40.0 gr (2295 ft/sec.)
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Powder formulations change from time to time.  New test data is analyzed and reloading manuals updated.  The 26th Ed. Hodgdon manual was published in 1992, that's 27 years ago, which was good for the powder made at that time.  Which is why I prefer to go with the powder manufacturers recommendations, and use the online data for new powders.     
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Again, very good point. Will do!
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I forgot to also mention that H4895 (and other Hodgdon powders) are made by Australian Defense Industries (ADI).  H4895 is actually ADI AR2206H powder, ADI are probably the ones who produce the load tables (they are identical to the Hodgdon tables). 
Here is what is on the ADI website for .303 British, AR2206H and a 150 gr .312 bullet:
 
150 GR. Hornady SP Soft Point, SpitzerAR2206H.312"2.995"Starting36.0 grain2447 fps40300 cupMaximum40.0 grain2627 fps43600 cup
 
 
Look familiar?
 
 
 
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I must be OCD. I went to the range today with my No4 Mk2 sniper clone and L42A1 clone (in .303) with the new lighter 36 gr H4895 load. After some tuning, I shot a 1.71" 3 shot group @ 100 yes with the Sniper clone, and 1.81" with the L42. Not bad. Still trying to dial in this powder load. (Recoil was noticably lighter than the 39 grs of H4895!) 
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I have taken both above mentioned rifles to the range again. Results were similar to above @ 100 yds with the 36 grs of H4895. Not having shot a lot of the newer, lighter load, it's looking like a .25-.35" loss of what was a fairly constant grouping with the heavier powder load. 
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