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I am not home but have a copy of the Broad Arrow and can look up and check for circle C when I get home tomorrow, if no one solves it in the meantime!
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A C inside an Oval on the barrel. Competition Grade. Usually 7.62mm conversions.
The Crown over the crossed flags over the P is an Ishapore proof mark.
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Yes scrubbing was a standard Indian practice, I never quite understood the purpose of removing the ids though.
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The left side of the receiver shows the stamp .303 BRIT U.K.
So I would assume it's still original calibre. However the dowel that is visible just in front of the rear fore end strap is a sign of modification for target shooting.

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Aussies thread really got hijacked here.
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I’d say the paint is factory mate, only because it’s a 1941 MkIII. Seems it was only done to rifles made very late 30’s to 1941 until cut off was removed with recommencement of MkIII*. Unfortunately it’s deteriorated a bit and doesn’t look real flash, but if you scrub it off the finish underneath might be equally as bad. I have restored a barrel once with engine block enamel, but I’d be inclined to leave that one. 
Did you say the wood is matching?
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Originally posted by Myles Myles wrote:

Thanks. By "Scrubbed" you mean the original marking were ground off and new markings applied correct?
Yes. The whole of the reciever and any other metal bit for lack of a better word, was put to a big abrasive wheel. You got lucky. You can still see the No4Mk1 stamp.
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Originally posted by Homer Homer wrote:

I’d say the paint is factory mate, only because it’s a 1941 MkIII. Seems it was only done to rifles made very late 30’s to 1941 until cut off was removed with recommencement of MkIII*. Unfortunately it’s deteriorated a bit and doesn’t look real flash, but if you scrub it off the finish underneath might be equally as bad. I have restored a barrel once with engine block enamel, but I’d be inclined to leave that one. 
Did you say the wood is matching?

No worries on the hijack - everyone gets their questions answered we are all good.  I see Goosic nailed the Circle C so we are good there- interesting history that the Indian's scrubbed the numbers completely - I didn't know this.

The wood on my 1941 rifle is interesting.  The stock has "1941" stamped on RHS, and a small "41" underneath just behind the trigger guard, and also what looks like an "L".  The fore stock has no discernible markings.  There are couple of spots in the likely positions which could have been stamped, but it is now difficult to tell it they were markings or just dings/dents.  Visually the wood looks consistent throughout the entire rifle, and is visually very appealing with a well used look but still in pretty good condition.  My guess it was replaced at some point, but faithfully done.  As contrast, my 1945 actually has the rifle serial number stamped on the wood, which is really nice.

I tend to agree on the paint - I worry that I will do more damage removing it.  And now after our research I have a more complete history of the rifle, to the best of our knowledge, I am goinf to catalogue this and keep it as is.

Listen - there are probably a bunch of veterans on this board - today is Memorial Day in the US (equivalent to ANZAC Day in Aust/NZ) - A big thank you from me and my family to all those who served, and whose family served.   Lest We Forget.


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My apologies for the hijack. My first post on a forum. I should have started a new topic.
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Originally posted by AussieShooter AussieShooter wrote:

Originally posted by Homer Homer wrote:

I’d say the paint is factory mate, only because it’s a 1941 MkIII. Seems it was only done to rifles made very late 30’s to 1941 until cut off was removed with recommencement of MkIII*. Unfortunately it’s deteriorated a bit and doesn’t look real flash, but if you scrub it off the finish underneath might be equally as bad. I have restored a barrel once with engine block enamel, but I’d be inclined to leave that one. 
Did you say the wood is matching?

No worries on the hijack - everyone gets their questions answered we are all good.  I see Goosic nailed the Circle C so we are good there- interesting history that the Indian's scrubbed the numbers completely - I didn't know this.

The wood on my 1941 rifle is interesting.  The stock has "1941" stamped on RHS, and a small "41" underneath just behind the trigger guard, and also what looks like an "L".  The fore stock has no discernible markings.  There are couple of spots in the likely positions which could have been stamped, but it is now difficult to tell it they were markings or just dings/dents.  Visually the wood looks consistent throughout the entire rifle, and is visually very appealing with a well used look but still in pretty good condition.  My guess it was replaced at some point, but faithfully done.  As contrast, my 1945 actually has the rifle serial number stamped on the wood, which is really nice.

I tend to agree on the paint - I worry that I will do more damage removing it.  And now after our research I have a more complete history of the rifle, to the best of our knowledge, I am goinf to catalogue this and keep it as is.

Listen - there are probably a bunch of veterans on this board - today is Memorial Day in the US (equivalent to ANZAC Day in Aust/NZ) - A big thank you from me and my family to all those who served, and whose family served.   Lest We Forget.



Well assuming it is coachwood, it’s certainly the correct pattern forend for a 1941 MkIII not having the brass vertical reinforcing rods at the rear. It was later in 1941 when these were introduced so I’d expect if the forend was in fact ever replaced, it would have the later pattern.It could have been sanded and had numbers removed. Definitely got some wrasp marks can see in the photos. 
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