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    Posted: April 22 2021 at 9:57am
I was gifted a percussion SxS shotgun.  It was dirty to say the very least about it.  I have got the locks to work flawlessly, both triggers cleaned up, the wood cleaned and then left alone,and still working in cleaning the little metal bits.
The 28" barrels turned out very nice, given what I had to work with. The scariest part was removing rusted nipples. (That sounds like porno mag full of naked grandmas)ðŸĪŠ.
Anywho. I found the word London on the top rib, the word Holte on both locks and what looks like British Proof marks on the underside of both barrels with the number 14 stamped into it four times. If anyone can help me by offering any insight as to who, what, when, and where that would by outstanding. I think I might have deciphered the 14. A 14 gauge/bore?
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My goodness that looks nice.
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I found one reference to a Holte Percussion SxS 11 bore that looks almost identical to this one. It was referenced as being made in the 1850's. It sold for $190.00 bucks.
I could actually care less as to a value. I would just like to know who Holte was and where. I finally found replacement nipples so, I will eventually get to at least fire a very light charge of buckshot through it. Eventually...
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The "crown" over italic "BP" is a Brit Provisional Black Powder proof post 1856, from the Birmingham Proof House & the barrel looks very Damascus like to me.
14 bore is
14 bore: 2 1⁄2 in (64 mm)
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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So you would say that this is NOT a reproduction?
The little old lady that was the last owner indicated that it was her grandfather's.  Yes, the barrels are Damascus.  They also look very well taken care of. Alot of dust came out of the barrels but fairly shiny...
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Somehow I don't think soI did find several lists of "British Gunmakers" but the Holte isn't among them.
Maybe this place is a starting point of some kind?

I can't make out the name on the top rib, maybe its in there somewhere?
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It says "London"
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I got's nuttin' sorry.
The list is very confusing I can't figiure out if its indexed by city, date or name.
I used the PDF search for "London" & "Hoyte".
London is a bit of a wasteland for gunsmiths it seems, most are apparently closer to their customer base in the more rural areas.
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I found a Holte SxS 11 bore  that sold at auction for 190.00 dollars. 
That has all I have been able to find so far.
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gday all
Have a Google for William Cashmore gunmaker from Holte
Maybe a connection???ðŸŧ
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I found a William Westley Richards gun maker 1Dec 1855
That included a Walter Henry Bracebridge and his wife Mary Holte Bracebridge in connection with a land trust issue
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Page 30 of the Supplement to the British Trade Journal dated 1 March 1885 shows a Holte SXS...
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sorry that should be From Holte House at Aston village was in a hurry posting. Would be great if it was a Cashmore 👍
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I am very content with this one. The simplicity of the inner workings alone make this shotgun a worthwhile investment...
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 Maybe Holte on the gun is the owners name, as in a family member of Thomas Holte, they were of minor nobility, land owners.
 As others here, I`ve found no reference to any gun makers by the name Holte.
 Many yrs ago I was gifted an old shot gun, spent a lot of time trying to find out who and when it was made the only marks I could find on it were London proofs and the word Maurgran, was a great old gun, took a lot of birds with it, it earn a nickname, kicker, as a friend broke his nose shooting it.... LOL
 My wife loved that gun, she never missed at the trap range with that old beat up gun, she was the envy of many a Beretta owner.
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My main objective was to find the history of this SxS starting with the Holte moniker. I have currently found exactly three references to this shotgun, with one that includes a picture and an actual date of 1885. Shamu indicated that the British Proof marks were made after 1856 as well.. I have relegated myself to just be content with what I have. I purchased this and a Belgium made 12ga SxS from an estate sale for the total sum of $50.00. The sale also included a very rusty 45 caliber BP rifle and a box of spare parts for the Belgium made shotgun. 
The backstory of this particular shotgun is thus: The daughter, who is a member of the Crow Nation and the person I purchased the shotgun from,"says" that, her mom was given the shotgun upon the passing of her grandfather, Kills in the Fog who recieved it in trade for Horses and blankets near the Little Bighorn River in the late 1870's. Starting to see the tie-in here? Kills in the Fog was part of the Crow, Lakota and Sioux war party that took on the 7th Calvary. I have known this lady for twenty years now and she has yet to lie to me. We all know to,"buy the item, not the story" but, it is one very interesting story if, one is inclined to believe and trust in it as factual...
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