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Kodiac400
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 6:28am |
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I can't remember how many pounds of force the chamber on the M1 bites you with. Isn't it something like 20lbs or something?
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 9:00am |
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M1 biting the ole thumb not a very nice experience
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 9:03am |
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I just used a scale on my M1 garand's slide it was 13.5 pounds to pull it back.
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 10:32am |
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13.5lbs......that would give a real good smash. It must have been hell to be in a combat situation and tring to hold off the enemy while dealing with a smashed thumb.
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Posted: February 04 2009 at 11:53am |
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that was 13.5 pounds static, The moving slide would have more energy than that. Yes would think that would make loading a bit more of a challange with a buggered up thumb.
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Tony
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Posted: February 06 2009 at 7:10pm |
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Next time that young pup USSRL comes on ask him what his thumb looked like after the slide on his Beretta 303 semi auto shotgun bit him.
He got the gun for his 14th birthday within a week he'd slipped the slide and REALLY mashed himself.
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Posted: February 08 2009 at 10:04am |
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i wont be doing that with the latest gun in the collection. the actions that violent it can dislodge bullet heads from the cases. it would probably take my thumb off never mind bustin it.
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Tony
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Posted: February 08 2009 at 7:05pm |
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He made a right mess of his thumb poor lad. The extractor went through the thumbnail into the nail bed. Black nail and swollen like a grape. His new toy the beast. would probably smash the end off his thumb if he did the same trick.
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 4:09am |
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I am an enfield lover till the end. I am an american, and a lover of the US weapons as well. If you are taught to load a Garand properly in basic, you will never get blue thumb. You use the side of your hand to pull back and hold the bolt, load the clip in and press it down till it clicks with the thumb. After that you don't just let go, you raise you thumb and then let the bolt close and strip off first round. Have a great time with your enfields and remember, bolt action is always more accurate. |
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 10:58am |
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They rated the M 16 and AK 47 as one and two so I think we are safe with the .303.Think I'd leave the Moose Hunting with a .223 or 7.62x39 to others not that it cann't be done but why if you have the .303.
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Posted: November 13 2009 at 5:18pm |
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In a survival situation the 303 would cope with most situations, a man stopper if necessary, a meat provider and with reloading kit you'd have no problems with ammo. I think the 223 and 762x39 are popular because milsurp ammo is fairly plentiful and light enough to carry more rounds.
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Posted: November 14 2009 at 1:13pm |
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In this Great and incredibly ass backwards country of our you can't hunt with any AR variant at all, and AK's are prohib this meaning the average weapon collector can't have one, and the you can't hunt with it. However My wife's deer rifle is a SKS, my buddy uses one as well. He has a 5/30rnd mag and a homemade AK type stock, which tends to get us some interesting looks from the CO's and police. All that aside I keep my 303's close
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Posted: November 14 2009 at 3:37pm |
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At least you can have self loading rifles and shotguns. Oh, and pump action shotguns as well.
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Posted: November 19 2009 at 3:52am |
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gotta admit there is summat about the enfields , the smell of the wood, that hold, that recoil...lord knows what it is, but if like me ...
( & i cannot get a good grouping as yet with my reloading the 303)
I still love her !
(Any other rifle would have gone by the by ..by now !!)
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Posted: December 05 2009 at 10:51pm |
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"but i thought i can do this (scope bushnell legend 2 to 7 for your info)so i lean on my pick up and took 1 min to adjust my scope and pow bye the time i "
Not hunting. Simply shooting an animal from the road.
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Posted: December 06 2009 at 11:17am |
I've not had much luck with the Winchester .303 ammo in Enfields that showed much if any wear to the bore, and accuracy was very poor when used with a two groove bore, but my No.1 MkIII has an excellent bore with no sign of throat erosion and slugged at .311 which is uncommonly tight for a military .303 bore. The previous owner used 180 Gr Winchester almost exclusively and got very good results, very tight grouping on the horizontal plane with some vertical stringing likely a matter of bedding.
To be fair the Winchester ammo I'd tried with my earlier LE and a few belonging to friends showed signs of having been either a defective lot or having been poorly stored, there were a number of cases that split lengthwise by as much as 1/2 inch , though the chambers of those rifles were not at all worn or loose and had no much problem with any of a dozen or so other brands both commercial and military. One of the split cases seemed to be paper thin on the side that split. Examination of the fired cases given to me by the previous owner of the No.1 showed no visible defects and very little sign of stretching and no annular ring, I'll know more when I reload those. Winchester cases don't have a good rep when it comes to reloading due to a thinner than optimum rim.
It seems like many hunters interested in the Moose want to use heavier bullets of 200 gr and up, considering the weight of the larger specimens it sounds like a heavy bullet is called for, but I wonder if using a heavy bullet with necessary lower velocity might result in a case of dimishing return.
I ran across a partial box of 215 gr bullets when I first started handloading the .303, not enough of them to do any real load development. I wonder if the tighter throat of the SMLE and later Enfields compared to the LE throated for the MkVI bullet could cause any pressure increase. Depends mainly on the profile of the bullet nose I suppose.
Pre WW1 tests comparing the MkVI bullet to the MkVII showed that the MkVI had much better penetration in softer materials like earth and sand bags, the opposite being the case for harder materials such as wood. Of course the MkVI was a non expanding FMJ and the MkVII was designed to tumble in flesh so those results are not directly relevant when soft point bullets are used.
No Moose in this region, and our Black Bear are seldom very large compared to those further north, so 150 to 180 bullets handle the biggest of local game.
Only time a really heavy gun comes in handy here is when one of the Elephants at the breeding facility decides to go for a stroll. Theres a Bengal Tiger breeding facility there as well, some big boys there for sure, hate to see what would happen if they got loose. The .303 has taken many a tiger no doubt.
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