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    Posted: May 23 2019 at 3:31pm

Trudeau exonerates Cree chief of 1885 treason charge

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Chief PoundmakerImage copyrightO.B. BUELL/LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES CANADAImage captionChief Poundmaker

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has exonerated a Cree leader who was convicted in 1885 on a charge of "treason-felony".

Chief Poundmaker was wrongfully accused as being one of the instigators in a brief rebellion against the Canadian government.

He is now remembered as a diplomat and peacemaker during a turbulent time in the country's history.

The apology comes after a long campaign to formally clear his name.

On Thursday, at a ceremony on the Poundmaker Cree Nation, about 200km (125 miles) northwest of Saskatoon, Mr Trudeau said Canada recognises "that during his lifetime, Chief Poundmaker was not treated justly nor showed the respect he deserved as a leader of his people".

The prime minister called Poundmaker - or Pitikwahanapiwiyin in Cree - "a peacemaker who never stopped fighting for peace, a leader who, time and time again, sought to prevent further loss of life in the growing conflict in the prairies".

Former Poundmaker Cree Nation chief Blaine Favel called the apology a step towards reconciliation and said it "makes the history of Canada that much more rich".

Poundmaker was a leader during a period of growing insecurity and rapid change among the Metis, First Nations peoples, and settlers living in Canada's prairies.

First Nations peoples were becoming increasingly disillusioned at the government's failure to live up to recent treaty commitments, including promises of rations.

Meanwhile, a Metis-led rebellion in the region over land concerns had led to outbreaks of violence.

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At the time, in March 1885, Chief Poundmaker travelled with a delegation from his reserve to nearby Fort Battleford and its neighbouring village to ask for overdue government rations.

Due to the unrest, the inhabitants had holed up in the barracks and government officials refused to leave the safety of the fort to meet with Poundmaker. Frustrated, his men are alleged to have ransacked the village despite the chief's protests.

"Chief Poundmaker and his people came to be viewed as a threat," Mr Trudeau said.

In retaliation, over 300 Canadian militiamen - led by Lt Col William Otter - set off to attack Poundmaker's camp.

Cree Chief Poundmaker and his wife, 1880sImage copyrightPROVINCIAL ARCHIVES OF SASKATCHEWANImage captionCree Chief Poundmaker and his wife, 1880s

The Battle of Cut Knife Hill lasted some seven hours. Facing stiff resistance, Lt Col Otter eventually called for a retreat.

Poundmaker is credited with preventing the warriors from pursuing retreating militiamen, saving countless lives and preventing further bloodshed.

After the battle, and following a failed attempt to negotiate a peace agreement in an effort to prevent further reprisals, he was arrested and put on trial for treason.

He was convicted, and sentenced to three years in jail. He maintained his innocence.

Poundmaker was released after serving a year in jail due to deteriorating health and died four months after.

His prosecution was part of an effort by the Canadian government to suppress further armed conflicts and exert more control over the indigenous peoples in the region, and secure its push to settle the west.

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A tad late..methinks.
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i agree , im thinking there were plenty of these that occurred on both sides of the boarder back then , i know of one that started a bit north west in iowa where i grew up , most think of it as where buddy holly died but long before that there was a small uprising between the settlers and the Indians over a bit of food that turned into a huge situation for the times , it spilled over to the north where i now live in minnesota and ended in a mass hanging a bit south of me now that is still controversial to this day , 

there is an annual event to remember it , so much of history would be better if it never happened but it did - its important we all know it , remember it and do not relive it in our times , something the revisionists fail to recognize , 

or is it that they want to erase it so we all dont recognize it when they try to perpetrate it upon us again ?
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i am sorry the photos did not post - i am a history buff and find this era very interesting , the photos of the chief were very nice , he was obviously a respected man and his wife was a beautiful woman , to see them in the setting of the era added to the story for me , 
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Is this the missing image?

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Thanks for sharing. 
 
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I agree this was a tragic incident, but unlike our current Prime Minister, I will not apologize for things that happened during different times. And definitely not apologize for things many generations past. We can learn from history, but we cannot change it.
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I agree with you, HT. I think it's a political move to try and help appease our first nations' just months before a federal election. I may sound a little on the cynical side but nothing about our current federal regime surprises me.
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i understand exactly what you are saying - i am not an apologist either , history happened , live with it and learn from it , or repeat it ...its becoming an issue again here in this next election but that is another topic to discuss , this is history and not re-writing but righting it , 

what i found credible is that it was a correction of a wrong - exonerated , i do not see an apology for history in righting a wrong legally , unless of course there is more to this story than was presented , it was a liberal source and they do slant the news tp their agenda 

BUT - i reread it again , i see only that the chief was a good man that sought peace and was blamed for the uprising that he contested , if that was the case he was wrongly convicted , i was not there , i do not know that much of the indian wars north of the boarder , im still learning of our side of the parallel at this point , there is a lot to know before one might take on judgement , 

it is history - we have moved on - what happened are facts and what we do with that will perhaps still influence what we do in the future , 

much like the slavery discussions here so many years after the practice was abolished and oddly enough so much longer after it was actually abolished as an import here - 

The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution. Wikipedia
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 i know someone will bring up the slave ship of 1860 - i get it , it happened , but it was burned and scuttled to conceal its happening because it was illegal 

the public hanging in mankato minnesota of the leaders of the 1862  indian uprising was a reactionary thing to the incidents that occurred in that time - today i think more legality would be observed but at that time it was what was deemed correct for the conditions , 

i will admit that i think innocents might have paid the price for those that were responsible , but it was a "sovereign nation vs a sovereign nation" at the time and we all know how our nations representatives go about their jobs - look at the mess we are dealing with currently , i see it that there are traitors among us trying to unseat a duly elected president - i think they are looking at it as dethroning the guy that stole their candidates rightful seat [because she was the "next: in line] we will disagree , 

one day , in retrospect , letting our "american taliban" walk free may haunt us as this chief does canada , or as the mankato 38 haunt us today here , or the beginning in 1857 in iowa raised my attention as a kid growing up in iowa 
its worth a read   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_War_of_1862


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Not to get too political, and as a Canadian who reads a lot of US history, when I worked there were lots of younger people surprised when I told them it was the Republicans that freed the slaves. All countries that were colonized by Europeans have their dark pasts and great achievements. I don't judge them as I didn't live during that era. 
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For a great perspective on this issue..there was a movie, titled: I Will Fight No More Forever.
Its not readily available anymore. But if you can get it, you should.
Chief Dan Joeseph(?) & his band of mostly women & children, persued by the U.S. Army. They fight the army to standstill 3 X as they continue their flight.

Its a true story & well done.
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