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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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If that was the case, I would currently own a 5lb hand sledge waiting to take off another finger tip...😑
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16558 |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Moosm14 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: October 20 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 92 |
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I could not agree more with the perspectives and opinions shared in this thread!
Especially Shamu’s , "History doesn't stop at some arbitrary time, it continues forever" Being both students of history as well as active participants, it is amazing to think of what those who went before us endured and struggled whether as a combatant, guarding a lonely outpost away from the front lines, or especially those factory workers who did their best producing these arms and what they sacrificed as well -
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There is room for all of gods creatures ... right next to the mashed potatoes
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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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Moosm14: It goes beyond the Maltby Factory and its workers for me. Over 18 individual privatized parts suppliers participated in the construction of my particular No4Mk1 and their wartime dispersal codes are in full display on my rifle as well.
As I had stated at the start of this thread. There are in fact many a person who honestly believe that these relics of days past have absolutely no history to share if they have never participated in an actual fire-fight. My rifle was on its way to participate in actual combat but was confiscated by German controlled Préfecture de Police as told before. Except for some minor cosmetic dings in the furniture, this rifle looks exactly as it did as it left the Maltby Factory in May of 1944. The Maltby Factory is no longer with us and very few of the parts suppliers exist today but, they can all be remembered by what they gave to the war effort by simply looking at my rifle that exists because of them. That's History at its finest...
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Sapper740 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2021 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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I have a M.L.E. MkI* "Long Lee" that was made by BSA in England, shipped to a civilian target shooter in New Zealand where it was eventually taken on strength by the New Zealand government as were so many other rifles in private hands. No longer needed it was Sold out of Service back into private hands where it apparently was used on a regular basis, requiring at least one barrel change which was done at Lithgow just prior to WWII. Interestingly, its still chambered for the MkVI round. Somewhere along the line the very rare Vickers, Son and Maxim rear and front sights were installed on the rifle as well as a Twin Zero micrometer peep sight. The rifle then made its way to America to eventually and via Joe Salter ended up in my collection in Texas. The rifle, judging by its near mint condition obviously never saw combat or even rough handling. I can't imagine some purist eschewing my rifle for "lacking history" because it was never fired in anger.
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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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Sapper740. It is not the purist I am referring to. There are alot of "New" Enfield Collectors that make the assertion that, "If it was never in a battle or killed someone, it has no history, period!"
Or, "I'd rather have a beat up, scratched up, and worn out rifle then one that has sat in a closet for 100 years because at least mine has a history to it." The purist will obviously see any and all history in that rifle whereas the new military rifle collector needs only the justification that his or her rifle "looks" like it might have been in a conflict and possibly took the life of the enemy to give it any plausible history without knowing for certain. I have a No4Mk1/2 that was just a barreled reciever when I found it in a bucket at a gun store. I took it to a machine shop and had it Magnafluxed. No metallurgical issues showed up so I started to restore it as I saw fit to. It is now a spot on replication of a Parker Hale Supreme No4. Did I erase its history? I know for certain that it was made at the Maltby Factory so, No, I did not erase that part of its history. I know it went through a FTR in 1948 at the Fazakerley Factory but the electro stenciling no longer is present because I purposely cut the top of the recievers charging bridge away to mount the PH A29 scope base. I know that the barrel on the rifle originally came from the BSA Shirley Factory and I know certainly that the cocking piece came from Singer Manufacturing Co in Clydebank Scotland. The current stockset was made by Sile Industries back in the 1960's possibly the 1970's. I do not know what it went through to end up in a bucket in a gun store in Phoenix Arizona. That part of its history is lost to time. Its current history is still being written, even though it is sitting in a closet right now... |
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16558 |
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I have one of each! Well in SMLE's at least. I can only justify having two virtually identical Rifles because I've made one of them a .22RF conversion. Oddly, in an era when "It was Amazing to build an aeroplane in 2 countries, One using Inch & the Other Metric" (Concorde), That everyone forgot you could put a rifle together with minimal hand fitting a British receiver, Canadian wood, & an Australian sight set Firing Greek-made ammunition, in India! ![]() |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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A square 10 ![]() Special Member ![]() ![]() Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 13735 |
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my point exactly - they all have history , we just have to dig it out , as a purist it was always my quest , i found that to be one of the more pleasurable elements of collecting enfields , its why i sold my USA collection to buy more enfeilds , these are something that will fade with time and end up only in collections/museums one day down the road
sapper - i love the MLM its the one that my trainer was made from , one of my favorites and one ive kept after divesting my commonwealth collection , the 22s have a special place in my heart and i think my wife and kids will be the ones parting with those after i depart , shamu , IIRC the inch and metric carried over into the SLR , i had a metric belgeon made but never could lay my hands on a brit made which oi always wanted ,
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16558 |
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Yes the "Inch Pattern" was just that a pattern. All the measurements & thread descriptions were using Imperial measurements & standards, but were still Metric threads & so on. The only real differences were the sighting height over bore, the trigger Assy (FAL was Selective, Ess Ell Arr semi-auto) BHO (Manual Vs Automatic) & the magazine attachment. Mine is a mix 'n match of the best of both & IMO better than either alone.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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