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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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Preface: I removed the PH5C and put it safely away with the original MkII ladder sight.
The cheek riser is permanently attached to the buttstock however. I reinstalled the S&K scope mount and added Weaver Grand Slam steel rings with integrated square recoil lugs. The scope is a BSA Platinum 24x44 target scope with 1/8" clicks.
I am going to shoot this rifle as often as possible and as accurately as possible so the scope is a necessity. My bullet of choice is Hornady's 174grn FMJ-BT. I should be good for at least 9800 rounds through it before the accuracy starts to diminish since I have only put 200 rounds down range with it so far. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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Thanks for posting this Goosic, this gives me the idea of installing my Leupold 6.5-20x50 Vari X III Target scope on the DCRA 7.62 and shoot it off the bench at long range, just to quantify my errors in hold and aim (which I'm curious about). I haven't used that scope on a No. 4 in over 20 years and never on the 7.62. Maybe get this rifle and ammo to shoot sub-MOA at 1000x (might be just wishful thinking on my part).
I'm not sure if that Leupold has enough elevation adjustment to get to 1000 yards (I think it's a 1 inch tube), but I have a set of rings that incorporate a +20 MOA offset, so should be no problem.
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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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Shooting my 7.62mm No4Mk1* with a barrel that is just now broken-in with 525 rounds through it and my best grouping to date was done @ 200 yards. Ten rounds just inside 1.970".
That was sitting at a bench with the forend resting in a tripod. The round used was a duplicated M852 Match round. 42.0grns of IMR4895, Federal Magnum Primers, LC LR brass, Sierra 168grn HPBT, C.O.L. of 2.830"
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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I'll have to pick an overcast day to do this; otherwise the mirage at 1000 yards will make accurate aim very difficult. Also, a scope won't help me dealing with the wind, so a calm day is much preferred (although I've yet to experience a "calm" day at this range).
I've had some near MOA 10 shot groups with this rifle shooting prone at 200 yds with PH 5C (168 SMK, 40 gr Varget); so I'm expecting MOA or better with a scope off the bench. I'll be shooting my long range load (Lapua Case, BR-2 primer, 43.5 gr Varget and 168 TMK seated to 2.95 in OAL which will get me a tad over 1200 fps at 1000 yds, sufficient to work the electronic targets). This exercise will tell me what the rifle and ammo is capable of doing, so when I shoot prone with aperture sights, I'll know how much error I'm introducing. I expect I'm typically adding 1/2 to 1 MOA to the 10 shot group size shooting prone unsupported with aperture sights.
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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Can’t believe I’m doing this, but here goes…. I dug out my Leupold Vari-X III 6.5-20x40 EFR Target Scope I bought in 1998 and mounted to my Fulton No. 4 Mk 1/3 for initial .303 load development work. I removed it the next year and it sat in the box ever since. It has a tiny diamond shape aiming point at the junction of the very fine horizontal and vertical cross hairs. Parallax focus correction, 1/4 MOA click adjustments. Also found my B-Square Mount and Burris off-set rings. The offset rings provides about 20 MOA of scope elevation offset above the bore axis at optical center. I’ll need this to reach out to 1000 yds, which requires 37 MOA of elevation correction with my long range load and that will also give me more usable windage correction with the scope reticle closer to optical center rather near the extreme of the elevation range. Now installed on my UF 56 Mk 2 DCRA Conversion. Of course, no modifications made to the rifle and it will be returned to SR(b) configuration after I do the accuracy tests at 800 and 1000 yds. Just doesn’t look nearly as classy as a “T”. But, I’m just telling myself this is for the purpose of evaluating the rifle and load performance, not the shooters performance as I will be shooting it off the bench fully supported. ![]() ![]() |
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16558 |
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Welcome to "The Dark Side", Young Padwan! BWHAHAHaHahaha! ![]() |
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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A square 10 ![]() Special Member ![]() ![]() Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 13735 |
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nice looking setup ,
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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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If you are referring to my rifle then thank you kindly...
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A square 10 ![]() Special Member ![]() ![]() Donating Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: MN , USA Status: Offline Points: 13735 |
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you are welcome - i like both ,
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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Went to the range today to shoot the scoped DCRA Conversion off the bench. I was not impressed. I see no improvement over shooting prone in sling with irons. This is surprising, as I don’t believe my hold in prone position and aim with aperture sights could be as good as shooting off a bench with a 20x scope, but those are the results. Must be some other explanation.
My typical prone in sling slow fire groups with PH 5C aperture sights is 1.5 to 2 MOA for 10 shots. I was expecting 1 MOA groups off the bench with 20X scope. My average of four 10 shot groups off the bench with scope was was right at 2 MOA (at 200 yds). ![]() Typical group at 200 yds. 8 of 10 shots was good, about 1 MOA, but always the flier. Note the X ring is 1.5 MOA. ![]() I thought perhaps the scope base was loose, but I detect no movement at all. So, scope is coming off, and PH 5C is going back on. So that’s my brief flirt with shooting a scoped No. 4 off the bench. I’ll go back doing what I know how to do… |
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Goosic ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 12 2017 Location: Phoenix Arizona Status: Offline Points: 8203 |
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I will try my scoped No4Mk1 Maltby next weekend.
I did do a comparison test between my 7.62 converted No4 and my Custom No4 still chambered for. 303 British and was not too surprised to see that the .303 was inherently more accurate than the 7.62mm throughout the testing. I do not know why, I just know what I witnessed. Now, if I use my Remlin Model X7VH 308Win Tactical against the 7.62mm or the .303 Enfield, the Remlin will beat both rifles hands down. I already know what Frenchie is capable of doing through the original sights. I need to know what she is capable of with magnification. If there is no noticable difference then I will remove the scope and reinstall the PH5C I have...
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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By far, my AR-15 Service Rifle is the most accurate rifle I own. It’s set up for CMP “High Power” Service Rifle matches, Hi-Lux 1-4x32 XTC Scope. Only a 4x max scope, but it shoots MOA prone in the sling. Anything over 1 MOA is because of me.
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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There might be an explanation. On the way to the range yesterday, I realized I had not wiped the Hoppes 9 out of the bore and chamber. I leave my rifles with Hoppes in the bore and store the rifle muzzle down. Most of the solvent will slowly evaporate and drain out, but there is some oil left behind. It’s the chamber I was more concerned with, so I tried rolling up a piece of paper towel and pushed it into the chamber, don’t think it did much. I don’t know if this had an effect or not…
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Sapper740 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 15 2021 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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A lot of people give a short shrift to the AR platform and turn up their nose at "plastic rifles". Fortunately, I'm not one of them. One of the most accurate rifles I own is an Anderson Arms AM10 which is almost completely factory stock save a Geiselle Super Semi-Auto Enhanced trigger and a muzzle brake. I put an inexpensive yet excellent Nikon P-308 scope on it and it shoots 1 MOA all day everyday with a handload I worked up for it. I use a Lead Sled to shoot from when working up handloads since I want to take as much of 'me' out of the equation as possible. Just as you stated, anything over 1 MOA is because of me.
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britrifles ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 03 2018 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 5613 |
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Yes, very easy to build yourself an accurate AR. My AR Service Rifle upper has a float tube so the A1 handguards do not attach to the barrel and sling does not pull on the barrel. Barrel free floats except for the gas tube of course. I’ve also got a Geissele fully adjustable trigger and a low rise Geissele scope mount. Very comfortable rifle to shoot.
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