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Again..my bolt & body have matching #s. I don't understand why it would be classed as 1950's production..when its already ep'd as 1946.The serial # is deeply stamped into the anterior of the bolt handle (W8059).
& since I'm asking...what was the signifigance of the per-fix, anyway?
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Originally posted by 5thBatt 5thBatt wrote:

Fazakerley never stamped the numbers on No5s they were all ep'd my 4/44 s/n 524 no prefix is ep'd if your No5 has a stamped s/n then it has been renumbered.
 
Photos to go with my previous post.
 
1944 Fazakerley No5 Mk1

 
 
 
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Originally posted by hoadie hoadie wrote:

Again..my bolt & body have matching #s. I don't understand why it would be classed as 1950's production..when its already ep'd as 1946.The serial # is deeply stamped into the anterior of the bolt handle (W8059).
 
It's not, hoadie. What LE Owner and I mentioned before was the bolt body itself. I don't know for sure and no one has ever answered the question so all we can do is go on supposition, but basically it is thought that the 1954 that is stamped on the underside of your bolt handle (like the 1956 on my BSA SMLE) means the bolt body was manufactured that year. Your bolt body may have been replaced at which time it would have been serial numbered to show it had been mated to the receiver. If the serial number on your bolt is stamped rather than electro-penciled then that may support that supposition since, as 5thBatt has shown, the serial on the bolt was electro-penciled coming from the factory.
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HMMMMMM...the plot thickens..
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Hoadie I'm always very cautious when I get told "this rifle was Grandads in the war". People make these stories up and in a lot of cases, it's assumed it was his in the war because he's had it for a long time. In my pursuit for rifles as a collector over the years, I've been told this countless times and each time I was able to prove it not to be possible simply by a feature of the rifle.
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On my No5 there is nothing on the bolt, and on the receiver I had to play with photoshop to see anything ep'd. I posted pics before. I guess the bolt was a replacement. There is almost no stamping visible on the rifle.

That said, I had it out to the range last weekend. It still shoots great. Sight it in, and it is steady. A joy to shoot for sure.
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Again, thanks to all the folks on this site. Very informative, and everyone has been so helpful in helping me learn about these great and historic rifles. Thanks all!!Clap

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Originally posted by Homer Homer wrote:

Hoadie I'm always very cautious when I get told "this rifle was Grandads in the war". People make these stories up and in a lot of cases, it's assumed it was his in the war because he's had it for a long time. In my pursuit for rifles as a collector over the years, I've been told this countless times and each time I was able to prove it not to be possible simply by a feature of the rifle.


Well, in this case I knew Barry Coppard. When he passed- I was given a book(photo album really) of pics & stories from when he was in Africa in the medical corp. There is/was a number of photos of him with a "carbine". He always claimed that the one he had sold me was the one he had there.(I had bugged him for a while to sell it to me).
But your right - always gotta be sceptical
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As a side note-I think the Mau Mau was '52 -60 weren't it?
I know Barry was there in the 50's. He kept a good record of his exploits to help the indigonous people. He was there with the Royal Army Medical Corp. Could that 1954 stamp I've mentioned be the year it was de-mobbed?
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Yep Mau Mau was '52~'60. I don't think they ever dated the Demob, but it could have been made in '54 & sent to Kenya in time for the end of hostilities. Another possibility was that the original bolt was damaged somehow & replaced with the current one & they just re-mumbered (or even numbered if it was a "new" bolt) when it was fitted to the action by an armourer.

We got 4 no4's sent to the Middle East in a rush priority. They just signed 'em out & shoved 'em in the next Eastbound Herky, they were there the next day.
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Hmm. Well, I note that the stamp on the bolt handle, & the stamp on the barrel are of the same stamp.Not just the same #..they used the same stamp dies. Does this shed any more light?
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Not to me I'm afraid.

My father was RAMC & from what he told me they were (in theory) unarmed non-combatants. However the odd Sten, Webly & so on made appearances in many RAMC units as the Geneva Convention wasn't always followed strictly by some of the other nations in the Middle East at the time.

I wonder if that doesn't somehow fit into the equation.
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Sure does! Clear as mud!
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he!!o everyone,
   I'm new to the site but I have been collecting Enfields for a while.  I have a question, I have a No5 i'ts a ROF 10/44 which was sent to India as it has RFI beneath the serial number but apart from that nothing else has been changed, do you consider this a true brit jungle carbine.
 
 
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only way to be certain is to analyse the facts of it , not just markings but physical attributes , would need photos to be certain , 

WELCOME to the site , and please join in , start a new thread with your rifle data and photos , we will help where possible , 
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he!!o Square,
  thanks for the nice welcome, I will start a new thread once i've worked my way around this site.  I'll get some pics down loaded and see what you think.
 
The bloke who owned the rifle before me rubbed the wood down and varnished it, it looks nice but it's not military looking if you know what i mean, so I've got replacement wood and when I get time I mean to replace it.
 
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