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    Posted: October 07 2020 at 8:46pm
I bought a well used Enfield from a friend.  It looks like it has had a long hard life and appears to have mismatched parts, but the price was right.

The wrist is stamped on the left side with a 1967, P, NO1MK3+ (with dots at the ends of the +)

The left side of receiver near the barrel is marked with a crown over GR over what look to be three pairs of crossed flags, the barrel is marked P over several proof marks that look like five point line drawn stars, the right side of the receiver near the barrel is marked Z and there are two serial numbers 33508 and below that just above the stock 80515 with lines stamped through those numerals below that is a Y.  The right side of the wrist is blank.  I’ll try to post pics but I am not tech savvy.  Thanks in advance for any  help.
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What you have is a No 1 Mk III* (not a +) that was probably scrubbed by India. They were keen to remove original markings when they refurbed rifles and would mark them like that on the left wrist. Would love to see more pictures, though.
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Can you get a picture of the stars, they may have several different meaning depending on things like size & position.
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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The stars are posted above, under the P on the barrel.
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That's quite a bit different than any typical RFI refurbs. This one is pretty interesting.
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Is there any markings on the other side of the wrist?
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The Y and Z serial numbers were used by Ishapore during their big refurbishment programme in the late 40's. All manufacturers marking were removed and they were renumbered.

I'd speculate that the rifle was 'picked up' by Pakistan during the Indo / Pakistan war of 1965 and was refurbished. Pakistan bought the Enfield manufacturing machinery from BSA in 1955 so were building Enfield's at the time, so a refurb would be well withing their capabilities.

All components and rifles built by POF (Pakistan Ordnance Factory) was marked with a "P"


So it has a checkered history - FR'd late 40's by RFI and then FR'd in '67 by POF Marked with a P and the date.


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 The Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 was a culmination of skirmishes that took place between April 1965 and September 1965 between Pakistan and India. The conflict began following Pakistan's Operation Gibraltar, which was designed to infiltrate forces into Jammu and Kashmir to precipitate an insurgency against Indian rule. India retaliated by launching a full-scale military attack on West Pakistan. The seventeen-day war caused thousands of casualties on both sides and witnessed the largest engagement of armored vehicles and the largest tank battle since World War II. Hostilities between the two countries ended after a United Nations-mandated ceasefire was declared following diplomatic intervention by the Soviet Union and the United States, and the subsequent issuance of the Tashkent Declaration. Much of the war was fought by the countries' land forces in Kashmir and along the border between India and Pakistan. This war saw the largest amassing of troops in Kashmir since the Partition of India in 1947, a number that was overshadowed only during the 2001–2002 military standoff between India and Pakistan. Most of the battles were fought by opposing infantry and armoured units, with substantial backing from air forces, and naval operations.

India had the upper hand over Pakistan when the ceasefire was  Although the two countries fought to a standoff, the conflict is seen as a strategic and political defeat for Pakistan,as it had neither succeeded in fomenting insurrection in Kashmir nor had it been able to gain meaningful support at an international level

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Maybe I'm just being abnormally dense today.
I don't see a picture of the barrel anywhere?
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:


I don't see a picture of the barrel anywhere?

You are not alone !

There is a P on the top of the Knox, and, what possibly looks like a letter 'before' the P (hopefully it is not a D)
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There is a Z on top of the reciever. 
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Thanks for the replies.  Interesting to learn of the connection to Pakistan. There is a portion of the barrel shown in the notch in the upper rear hand guard in one or two of the pics above.  I removed the stock and took more pics of the barrel.  It looks to have been rebarreled.  The bore is bright and it shoots good.
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