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Bear17Camping
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This gun was handed down to me years ago. I joined this forum hoping somebody could give me some information! Thanks in advance.
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Honkytonk
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From what I can see in the picture it looks like a .303 Pattern 1914 Enfield, or more commonly referred to as a P14.
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Shamu
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Yes its a sporterised P-14 rifle. Also known as Rifle, No3Mk1.
Although called an
Enfield its actually a Mauser design made for Britain & has almost
nothing (other than ammunition) in common with the Lee-Enfield rifles.
They are frequently referred to as "American Enfields" to prevent
confusion. Lots of info & some pictures a it would have looked before sporterisation here:
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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Honkytonk
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My buddy used a P14 (rear site ears machined off, scope and a thumbhole stock) for years and shot several deer with it. 180 grain pills... bad medicine! I believe the action is stronger than a Lee Enfield and the action has been used in projects rebarrelling up to a stouter Calibre. That being said, the .303 British round has never let me down.
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303 Hunter
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Bear17Camping, Welcome from Alberta.
Yes Honkytonk, the P-14 is stronger. I believe the action strength is 52,000 cup vs 48,000 cup for the No4 and 45,000 cup for the SMLE (Stephen Redgwell, The Accurate Lee Enfield). |
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The Lee Enfield is to the Canadian north what the Winchester repeater was to the American west. Cal Bablitz
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Shamu
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The P-14/M1917 are more robust than the L-E one. They were regularly used for magnum conversions because of it.
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Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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A square 10
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that one was made by eddystone , before it was sported it looked like the dark one in this photo -
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Bear17Camping
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he!!o 303 Hunter
Thanks for the information. I am from Alberta, actually more specific Rocky Mountain House. Is there any way I can pin point down a manufacturer year? Also am I allowed to contact you direct? I am new to the forum, just looking for more information or better understanding
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Bear17Camping
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Thanks for the information. Is there a way to confirm with the serial number?
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Whitjr
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Welcome from NC/Iowa, US!
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A square 10
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yes , i think i could get you close with a serial number - the muzzle end of the barrel if its not cut off would also get you what you want ,
this was my remington o2/18 Feb 1918 barrel when i sold it , its marked R for remington and the date produced , generally the receiver serial and barrel date are very close , close enough for government work as they say , yours will be marked with an E over the month and year , i have references that will date the serial number but im going to be shipping them with my P14 and M17 very soon to the new owner so post it soon please if you want my help , and yes you can PM me on this site |
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Tonsper
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Greetings from just west of Jasper. I was last in Rocky, October just past. It was my number 2 choice for retirement. A great town and not too close to the mountains.
This rifle was made in 1917 or 1918, probably 1917 in the Eddystone plant owned by Rochester. It is a later variation of the rifle that the British were intending to use to replace the Lee-Enfield series of rifles. The first versions were called the "Pattern 13" and were chambered for a .276 in. bore. They are very rare, almost made of unobtainium. About a million of the Pattern 14 were made in .303 British by three factories, Winchester, Remington, and Eddystone, in the US under contract from the UK starting with serial #1, no letters. In late 1917, the US Army decided to do something about the Great War but did not have enough rifles to go around. They contracted with these same factories to rechamber the rifles to 30/06 and wanted about a million of what they called the "Model of 1917", often wrongly called the "P17". These rifles are stronger but heavier than the L-E No 1 MkIII.
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Waiting for first light. Shook hands with the devil.
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Bear17Camping
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Thanks that’s great! Very appreciated.
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Bear17Camping
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The serial number is located in 3 spots that I can see. The receiver, bolt, and barrel. On the receiver is ERA 319441 like the photo. The bolt and barrel is stamped 319441. Thanks! |
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Tonsper
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Excellent. That makes it what is commonly known as "matching numbers rifle". It means that Bubba who cur up the wood was lucky enough to put the original bolt back in.
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Waiting for first light. Shook hands with the devil.
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A square 10
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eddystone made a bit over 600,000 in the years 1916-1917 so as this falls right in the middle im not as certain as one might be with a higher or lower serial but i would guess its a 1916 , by late 17 the US was already contracting to make the model M1917 as we were really short on M1903s , it was the beginnig of US military rifles being made under contract and ive always found these to be some of the most interesting ,
all P1914s started life with volleys and only on refurb did they lose them - either with simply stripping them off at weedon or refitting with the scottish made stocks of that time , either way you can tell if the stock was cut for them , the stock originally would have had a W-R-E stamped in the muzzle end that would have confirmed it matched as well , nice to mave a matching number set of metal bits tho ,
the P1913s were produced at enfield , had no production at any of the three US contractors , remington went on to use this design for the later model 30 sporting rifle , as well as produced the model 1934 for hondurus as a contract rifle based on the same design with some changes incuding sights from the M1903 and a mauser cleaning rod , chambered in 7mm and without the rear sight protector ears |
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