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    Posted: October 23 2019 at 2:06am
Ayup Peeps,

Firstly...it's great to back after such a long absence, and I hope to meet up with old acquaintances on here in the near future. The collection has been steadily growing. There have also been some rather nice, but exceedingly unexpected surprises.

Two weekends ago, I took a call from a fellow collector friend, asking me if I was interested in any M1917 bayonets. Well, within minutes, I was in the car... on my way.

The M1917 is quite a common beast... but stamped as '1918'... that is a rarity, and does not come along readily. Be it rare or not, I have seen many in my decades of collecting, but the last one in reality.... not for several months past. So, I'm quite certain that you can imagine my delight at seeing not one.... but two at the same time.



What made the experience even more unique, was the fact the both the early war Mk.1 and later Mk.2 scabbards were included.



There have been several more surprising finds since them. Updates to follow.

This is MY rifle, there are many like, but this one... is MINE!
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this was an anomaly - it makes it an interesting find that is not uncommon but worth having in a well rounded collection , they thought to follow the US practice of marking them to date of manufacture but ...the marking was meant as its supposed to be a marking of its model number and it only occurred for a short time , 

yes its limited production makes it a little rarer , but not enough to drive prices through the roof as so many were made , i think it worth purchase if you come upon a nice example , these rifles and bayonets are the one crossover between my once fine , now gone US collection and my favored commonwealth collection , the redheaded stepchild of the US rifle legacy that outproduced the US arsenals , a truly interesting story and moment in history 
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Thank's 'A square 10', for that rather almost 'waxing lyrical'... poetic imput in a way.   

I did telephone Remington Arms Co; several years ago in reference to the '1918' stamping. I was informed at that time, that they admit a shortfall in the company archives for the Great War period, and that the company has been greatly re-structured since that time. According to their knowledge, someone (identity unknown) took it upon themselves to alter what took to be a year date, and match it to the new year - '1918'. Apparently it was noticed only after what is estimated be in the low hundred thousand's produced, then immediately returned to the Mk stamp of 1917.

Over here in the UK examples are not that common, quite a rarity in fact. To see one is something of an event. To see two at the same time in the same location can be something of a major taking point.

'Q'.. How rare are these beasts in the USA?
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not quite so rare as there , but ive not seen an overabundance of them on the market in my years of buying and selling bayonets , i had one once - went to a bayonet collector that needed it for his collection - i only collected them to go with my rifles and with the rapid exchange of M1917 rifles i had for a period there not every one got one , that collector also got my VN vintage M1917 bayonet - one i somewhat regret selling , it was a nice set , 

you have a nice example -  hold onto it , 

i have still got a nice winchester with my winchester M1817 rifle and a decent remington P1913 with my eddystone P1914 rifle , i would love to have a P1913 rifle and and a vickers P 1913 bayonet to go with it , 
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It's amazing how certain item's seem to come at a rush after not seeing a single example for quite some time. Since posting this thread, I've sourced another two '1918' examples... both once again being offered together. I'm in the process of negotiating with the seller, so... watch this space.

The P1913 rifle has alway's been at the top of my 'Want's List'.



But as there were only around 1200 produced, and pushed out to various units for trials... I don't think that I will be holding my breath anytime soon. I've seen a few examples during visits to 'The Imperial War Museum', 'National Army Museum', and had the privilege to examine one when I was attached to the 'School Of Infantry', Warminster, England.

An even rarer beast than the 'Vickers' is the 'Enfield Trials P13 Bayonet'.



I do recall this particular item being discussed here several years ago. I think the chap in question mentioned that he had actually found it whilst on deployment. Some people have all the luck!

In reference to the VN M1917... How rare are they (extremely here), and what would be considered a fair price for a decent example. I found an example about two months ago, which incidentally, is still available.



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im now too old to chase dreams like this but there are a few on my list - the P1913 rifle would be one , the HAC revolver another , and the prichard bayonet the last on my short list , dreams are what life is all about , 
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terrylee, that always makes me shake my head! It is nice to know someone owns one! Sarge, before reading this I didn't even know about the 1918 marked bayonets. I will keep my eye open now.
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these were not well known , nor much published as these were not the high priority in the us world we concentrated on the 1905 and its aberrations but those of us that also collected commonwealth knew of them , i have one - i hold it with my M1917 along with a winchester to match the rifle , remington made so many the winchester is the one i hold close , 

i have had a lot of these as well as a lot of the rifles , you tend to keep the ones that mean something to your searches , this one does 
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