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    Posted: October 28 2020 at 1:45pm
not a newbie to firearms but know zip about Enfields.  found one I liked at a flea market today but as I'm an old guy I need to do my research and will go back and purchase it next week if it checks out.  I did do a lot of reading today and am somewhat confused on the receiver markings.

No4MK 1/2 (F) FTR
/-52-1Y18030

the little bit I found I think this was a factory rebuild (FTR) at the Royal Ordinance Factory Fazaked (F) in maybe 1952?  either that or the 52 is an inspector's mark.

the seller thinks it is 1947 production but I could find nothing on that.

any input would be greatly appreciated.   

also, what to look for with regards to barrel condition.  was kind of dirty which surprised me since it was for sale.  I had no light and could not see inside well.  if this is promising will look at the inside of the barrel closer.


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Welcome from Phoenix Arizona. 
The rifle in question was made at the Maltby plant in 1944 originally. 
In 1952 it was sent to the Fazackerly plant for a Factory Thorough Repair, (FTR ). The No4Mk1/2 signify that it went through an upgrade on the trigger where it has been hung from the buttsocket instead of the trigger guard. The number that looks like a 1 in front of the Y looks more like a light strike N with a small R stamped over everything else right there.
Your serial number Y18030 is the number that should also be on the bolt handle and the magazine. I have a 1944 Maltby, serial number U17054.
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goosic gave you all i was going to provide except -- the mkI/2 was a conversion of the mkI rifles , the mkI/3 rifles were conversions of the mkI* rifles , each to mk2 status as he explained , most folks think they shoot far better 

congrats on a fine rifle , and welcome to the party 
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Welcome from Atlanta, GA.  

Might be a AY prefix in the serial number. 

If you are buying the rifle as a shooter, you will want to check bore condition and fit of the forend (wood stock that runs from the back of receiver to the muzzle).  Since it is a Mk 1/3, it’s likely to have a FAZ replacement five groove barrel.  Quite often, these barrels are in good condition, as the Mk 1/2 and 1/3 rifles did not typically see a lot of service use.   It’s best to have a set of pin gages available, these are not expensive, in the range of .302 to .305 (in .0005 increments).  Ideally, you want a bore that is .3025  to .3035.  Larger bores can still shoot well in some rifles.   If nothing else is available, use a .308 bullet as see how far it enters the muzzle.  Muzzle crown wear is common from improper use of the pull thru.

Remove the bolt and look down the barrel from the breech end to see if the rifling still exists just forward of the chamber.  You want sharp edges on the lands.   

Make sure the bolt and receiver serial numbers match, this is important as the bolts are individually fitted to the receiver.  If they don’t match, there is a good chance the headspace may be incorrect and the two locking lugs do not give equal bearing on the receiver lug recess surfaces; in this case, don’t fire the rifle until the bolt is checked for lug contact and headspace is checked.  

The forend should not slide front to back on the rifle.  If it does, it can be repaired but that does take a bit of skill, less skill if you want to repair it with epoxy bedding compound.

Don’t let this put you off of the Lee Enfield.  It is an interesting well designed rifle that can be very accurate for a WWII era service rifle.  Gossic has got his No. 4 Enfields shooting sub-MOA ten shot groups consistently.  





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wow guys that is some great info and a quick response.  I really appreciate it.  I have an M1A so have 7.62 Nato I can use to check the bore,  also have 30-06.

the forend did have a noticeable looseness but I can't remember if it was front to back or side to side.

bummed that I can't check it again for a week lol.  here are a few more photos.
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not at all sure these are comparable ........

".. I have an M1A so have 7.62 Nato I can use to check the bore,  also have 30-06.

the forend did have a noticeable looseness but I can't remember if it was front to back or side to side..." 

but others smarter than i will respond 
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another.
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7.62 nato is basically .308.  30-06 is likely too small.
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I'm a little lost. What are you checking with a .308 bullet in a .311~.318 barrel?
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Welcome from Brandon, Manitoba, Canada! I too am a little confused. "30/06 is likely to small". It uses the same diameter projectile as a 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester. In either case, DO NOT attempt to fire them out of the rifle you're talking about!! Totally different bullet and Calibre!
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

I'm a little lost. What are you checking with a .308 bullet in a .311~.318 barrel?
I am almost positive that britrifles had suggested to take a 308 and place the bullet into the muzzle end to check for muzzle wear as i have illustrated using my Long Branch still chambered for the 303 British. 
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I was more concerned on the comment that "7.62 is basically .308, 30-06 is likely too small". They are the came calibre. As devrep says he knows zip about Enfields, and there has been a very detailed discussion on Enfields chambered in 7.62 as of late, my concern was perhaps he thought the rifle he is purchasing was chambered in the NATO round.
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jeez guys read thru the thread before you comment.  no one is going to try to fire anything not made for this rifle.  one of your members suggested that I use a .308 round to check the bore.  
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The No4 Mk1/2 rifles are generally very good rifles. (I have one too)
You've got the details from the other's here regarding the rifle.
But I noticed a couple of minor points in your second photo. Firstly, the magazine that is on the table; is that from this rifle? I ask because it is actually from an older no1MkIII type Enfield (WWI type).
Secondly, It appears that the upper hand guard metal is very close to the front sight protector. It has maybe slipped forward a bit. There should be a gap; if it's touching the sight protector it will have an effect on the accuracy.

The .303 British bullet is actually .311" diameter. The .303 measurement is the diameter across the lands of the rifling not the across the depth of the grooves.

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