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    Posted: July 24 2021 at 6:28am
I went to an arms fair recently and purchased this Bayonet specifically because it doesn't make sense.

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Blade markings of Remington manufacture P1913 dated 7/1916 with 
commonwealth broad arrow->crown->AB->A
crown->AB->A repeated next to a bend "proof mark" X.

Not over marked.

No markings on pommel or bayonet lug grove.

Handle is SLAZ42.

Cross guard with abnormally large loop measuring approx 23mm internal diameter.

Blade Length of 430mm

No markings whatsoever on scabbard 

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Trench warfare shotgun??
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i believe what you have is a pattern 1913 bayonet for the pattern 14 [no3] rifle , they were made by remington , winchester and vickers[very early] , they have most of the same specs as a pattern 1907 save the crossguard/muzzle ring 
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I forgot to add a photo of the crossguard. 


After the shot gun suggestion i looked at other fire arms for this bayonet and found that owen gun and jungle carbine bayonets have a similar arrangement even with the small hole on the bottom half.
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6that leaves me cold on this one - i suspect its been messed with but i cant say for sure , that is not a pattern 14 muzzle ring from the photo , 
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Yeah I'm quite confused, either it was rehandle in WW2 hence the slaz 42 handle with a different crossguard put on it or maybe someone had two bayonets and change the well conditioned parts in an attempt to get more cash for it.
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Never seen this before. Bayonet looks great
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Looking at the muzzle ring, it looks like there are slight raised edges inside the ring. I think there was a round shim previously in place which has either been removed or fallen out perhaps.
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I know late to the show but, your bayonet is probably for the Owen sub machine gun, nice find.
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Owens bayonets were shortened (10" blade, later 8") M1907 with metal scabbards with web frogs..
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PERCH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2021 at 12:08pm
Slaz on the wood stands for Slazenger and they were Australian made. The bayonet fits an Australian Owen machine gun.
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Oz troops had the full length modificatied 1907 patt bayonet in use in Korea on the Owens gun.
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Great informationThumbs Up
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The different length Patt 1907 bayonet attached to the Owens Gun.
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I don’t believe this bayonet is for the Australian Owen gun. To the best of my knowledge all Owen bayonets are Of Australian manufacture but I could be wrong. Early ones were converted by shorting existing stocks of pattern 1907 bayonets and the later ones were new manufacture. The cross guard on an Owen bayonet has the same size hole as a standard pattern 1907 bayonet. The Owen bayonet will fit on a No1 Mk3 SMLE rifle and a standard pattern 1907 bayonet will fit on the Owen. They will both interchange. The difference is in blade length. I’m no expert on the subject, but this has always been my understanding. There has been discussion in the past around some Australian troops carrying the Owen bayonet in Korea for use on the SMLE. As per the above photograph, both lengths were used on the Owen. The shorter Owen bayonet made sense for jungle warfare where the Owen was first put to service in WWII. 

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