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    Posted: March 18 2021 at 2:55pm
A batch of several early SMLE magazines (1st, 2nd and 3rd variation cases) will be coming to market soon. Unfortunately they are in New Zealand, whose postal service frowns on shipping firearms parts, and the seller is a company red listed because they deal in such. Is there a New Zealand member who would be willing to act as a purchasing agent, and ship them via a legal option be that taking them over to Australia to post or by private shipper?
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We in NZ are still in Covid lock-down. so chances of someone travelling to Australia is fairly low.
You might also fall foul of our heritage item laws possibly. In addition there have been recent changes to firearms importing and exporting. I would suggest you email NZ customs and ask how to go about applying for an export permit.  I would expect a commercial firearms dealer should have more luck exporting them rather than a private individual.
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Thanks for the tips. I've put feelers out to a few NZ firearms companies that do imports, and to the major US importers. So far no dice. I'll check with NZ customs for sure. As far as I can tell under current rules they should be fine as long as I stress the collecting/sporting aspect of the purchase when I write up the end user certification. Should it all fall through I'll definitely drop a mention of where the items are for anyone in country to have a crack at.
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I know of a NZ dealer that ships  to the US,  

I cannot remember the name of the top of my head, but will look when I get home and shoot you a PM/message
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gunworks in christchurch ?  be some of the late robbie tiffens extensive collection maybe.  was a post on fb recently about magazines

even australian dealers won't ship parts out these days, there is some obscure australian defence regulation that says they have to approve sales of even ex military items as someday they may need them back............

i have a contact i can ask, as i think he can somehow get parts shipped to the UK.

down here parts are getting harder to find, and prices are at least double what they were a year ago.
tidy complete no 1 mk 3 going for upwards of  $1500 NZD,   jungle carbines $2000 upwards.
Gun dealers still have the odd sporterised rifles in the racks, but even one of these in poor condition will start at $599.
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The gentleman that sold me the L42A1 magazines simply took the follower and spring out of the magazines and without falsification, wrote on the declaration paperwork that I was being shipped two metal boxes with parts.
You might try that approach...
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Originally posted by lyman1903 lyman1903 wrote:

I know of a NZ dealer that ships  to the US,  

I cannot remember the name of the top of my head, but will look when I get home and shoot you a PM/message

Awesome, thank you. I tentatively have one willing to do so but they are looking over what it will cost now.

Marco, those are the magazines I'm hoping to pick up. As well as possibly other parts as well. Unfortunately she is not able to ship them out of country herself. If you can see if your contact can get them (legally) out of NZ and to the US I'd much appreciate it, always good to have a backup plan.

Goosic, I'm considering that a last resort. While they aren't not metal boxes, there appear to have been some recent changes in NZ export law surrounding anything remotely firearms related, and a magazine box is distinctive enough to catch the eye of a half-alert customs official. Not to mention anything else I might purchase from the collection, I'd hate to see it destroyed just because I wanted to save a buck on permits.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2021 at 12:51am
I would recommend doing the necessary paperwork and keeping it legal. May take a bit more time and cost a bit extra; but for peace of mind; it's worth it.

I think NZ got some knee jerk rule changes after the Chrsitchurch incident. IIRC, the weapon used had illegaly imported high capacity magazines. 
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yes , ALWAYS STAY SAFE WITHIN THE LAWS , no matter how draconian and unreasonable - no need to go to jail over a collection and interest in history , 

in my case anything that might be left when they come is upstairs - go for it joe 
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There are a lot of new restrictions here and a lot of things that don’t make any sense. you have to get a permit to post almost anything firearm related but can still buy primers and powder without a firearms license. They won’t post powder but no problem posting primers. Good luck with customs they ether know the answer and are happy to help or have no idea and send you around the merry go round

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Thanks guys. As more stuff is sorted out from the collection and the size if the purchase grows, it's more and more important to do it all above board. So far it's up to seven early variation complete or partial SMLE magazines and a SMLE MkI rear handguard, and that's only scratching the surface. 
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hi William, i asked about shipping with my contact. seems he has given up of late with customs stopping anything firearm parts related.  its a merry go round as police have understaffed the firearms licensing and permits section and to get them to sign anything off could take 6 months or more wait. it then goes back to customs again , who might send the question to ministry of culture and heritage (just in case the items have historical value, maybe used at gallipolli or some such).   meantime a year will have passed and the items are now lost somewhere in the customs postal holding warehouse, maybe never to be seen again.

I suggest you make official enquiries as to what paperwork is necessary, and get all the boxes ticked prior to getting anything sent. You may need to use a professional customs agent in NZ to handle the tangle.


In a strange way it might be easier to export a complete firearm with the parts fitted, that way its obvious what it is , no argument.  So buy a cheap rifle of a few hundred and fit the magazine to it.  Paperwork should be straight forward then.

I hope this assists, keen to hear how it progresses.
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Marco, thanks for asking. I am waiting on responses from the possible exporter as well as now customs, I'll try sending an inquiry to the firearms section & heritage ministry as well. Would prefer to have all my ducks in a row. I'll start looking into professional customs agents too and see if there is one willing to take it on.

Putting them all on complete rifles would probably simply exporting slightly, but it would massively hunger importing them and shoot the costs way up. As a pile of parts and tools I'll only have to pay a basic duty and fill out a simple form on the US side; importing firearms would turn into a much longer and more expensive process here. I'll keep the idea in mind though in case that is the only way to get the parts.
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Good luck !!!   wish we could bring parts into NZ without the same drama
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Good news on this front... have made contact with a NZ exporter who will start their paperwork when the US import permits are approved and in hand. Looking for a importer now but that should be easier. Definitely a once in a lifetime opportunity as many rare bits are showing up such as a single stack MLM magazine, multiple dust covers and dozens of the later style MLM/MLE bolts, and an early SMLE MkI bolt assembly.
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Hi William

Great news !  what parts are you after specifically?  I have a few contacts who have mk1 SMLE rifles.
Have one myself that has been partially upgraded to use HV ammunition. still has the on bolt charger slide, but later rear sight , furniture and nosecap.  quite a few mk1 smle still lurk around NZ as many were put back into service during early WW2 for homeguard use or as rifle grenade launchers.  Many were sold into private use between the wars and spent the rest of their lives as hunting rifles.
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