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    Posted: January 21 2018 at 7:21pm
Hi just bought an Enfield from a local firearm show but I am completely new to these rifles and wondering if anyone could tell me more about it?


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Looks like a standard No4 mk1 (or Mk1*) that has some of the wood missing from the front end. Also the barrel appears to have been recrowned.
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Longbranch? (wild guess from the U.S. Flaming bomb stamp.)
It should look like this Savage made one.


I wonder how well it groups with the end wood & metal missing as that's one of the essential bedding points?

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16C makes it a Savage
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I would love to find one like this! I'd cut the wood just past the barrel band and add a walnut cheek piece! Kind of a faux L42A1. Very cool...
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Originally posted by MJ11 MJ11 wrote:

16C makes it a Savage

That was my first thought but I can't see a "square S"? The rear-sight is a Fazakerly as well?
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Originally posted by Honkytonk Honkytonk wrote:

I would love to find one like this! I'd cut the wood just past the barrel band and add a walnut cheek piece! Kind of a faux L42A1. Very cool...
You could cut the stock just past the barrel band but,the top rear hand guard would shift around alot. Nothing to hold it back any longer. My own personal opinion is if you're wanting to do something like that,just opt out for an aftermarket stock. Alot easier to deal with. Just my opinion on that.
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Does it not fit snug at the receiver end? The picture shown looks like is has top wood past the barrel band? Would these two points not hold that top wood piece tight... or am I way off?
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The wood for a L39A1/ L42A1 differ from that of a regular No4 Mk1. The enforcer and envoy furniture is a two piece design were as the No4 Mk1 is a three piece design,not including the butt stock. The top forward and rear hand guard meet together just under the lower band on a No4 Mk1 whereas the top hand guard on an enforcer or envoy is longer and allows the lower band to fit over snuggly.
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And just to make it even more interesting, the Envoy furniture is different to the L39A1/Enforcer, which is subtly different again to the L42A1 furniture.

Envoy has different cross-section and is longer.
L39A1 has Mk 2 style rear of stock
L42A1 has Mk 1 style rear of stock 
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Goosic, thanks! It's been a while since I took a full wood Enfield apart, and your explaination got me looking at my full wood No4 Mk2. I never really noticed before, and it was a subject of conversation on this forum not to long ago. The top wood from the mid barrel band to the front site barrel band is quite bit darker that the rest of the gun. PF 304527. Any idea what the couple of H's stamped into the bottom of the wood butt stock mean? Man, I talk alot...
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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Originally posted by MJ11 MJ11 wrote:

16C makes it a Savage

That was my first thought but I can't see a "square S"? The rear-sight is a Fazakerly as well?
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The sights appear to have been replaced both front and rear. I don't see a retaining pin at the rear and the front has been fiddled with something other than the correct tool. Possibly at the time the bayonet luges were removed and the stock cut. you know someone making things better or making the rifle more accurate for hunting. Who know what was passing as a thought process.

I only say this because I have several barreled actions of #4 and
#4T that came to me with shortened barrels and chopped wood.



I also have Savage rifles that have had 12C to 16C ser. numbers and we have not seen the portion of the receiver that would have US PROPERTY rolled on it and also have milled rear sights from other manufacturers that were added.

But I'm not an expert on anything so with out more pictures or detailed history anything is possible.

This will be an interesting post in time.


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I thought I had a L42A1 stock still around. I found a bobbed No5 stock,my thumbhole and an unfinished Fagen stock...
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I'd like to see a different angle on the forend up to the muzzle so we can see what exactly was done to that wood at the front. It almost looks like he was trying to make a Mauser-like forend
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i missed something here - hao did we get from enfiel to mauser , not a real quick jump , did i miss a post or has something been deleted ? 
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