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    Posted: December 09 2008 at 8:17am
Hello all,
Iwas wondering if anyone can give me some info about this Enfield I received today.
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i think it to be a maltby , assigned serial number sequence A10000 to A19999  and so on thru the alphabet ,
usualy marked  "M" and often misstruck or illegible to a degree ,
generaly marked left wrist ,
 
im assumeing this to be a no4 rifle and if this could have had some more photos it would have helped ,
 
my experience with maltbys is limited to a very few rifles but this type of marking is the norm ,
 
i could be way off base here if there is something im not seeing but i think not
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Yes it is a no4. It's from classic arms. I will post more pics tomorrow. This is my first no4 and I couldn't be happier.
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good - thats half the battle , now comes the fun part researching and learning , im guessing you will remain happy with this one ,
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

good - thats half the battle , now comes the fun part researching and learning , im guessing you will remain happy with this one ,
 
Yep History, when, where, and who
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OK here are a few pictures. The bore is beautiful. Wood looks good. I feel I really lucked out!
Where should I start my research? Can anyone tell me more about this rifle?
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First up G'Day & welcome to the Temple of Doom & insanity !

     Right the #4 made it's debut in about 1939 & was used through out the Commonwealth (Australia never built #4's choosing to stay with the Mk111)
Apart from the noticeable differences between the Mk111 & #4  the # 4 was a stronger action & had a different bolt release

Rifle, No4 MkI and MkI*

General Specifications

Weight                                                  9 lbs.

Weight w/Bayonet Spike                   9 lbs. 12 oz.

Length                                                   44.5 inches

Length w/Bayonet                               52.75 inches

Length of Barrel                                 25 inches

Caliber                                                  .303 British

Chamber Length                                 2.222 inches

Rifling                                                   Two, Five and Six groove

Rifling Twist                                        Left hand (2 and 5 groove), Right hand (6 groove) one turn in 10 inches

Type of Operating mechanism          Lee action, hand operated, rear locking lugs

Loading Device                                    10 round, detachable box magazine

Sights: Front                                        Fixed blade, multiple heights (12 sizes -0.045 to +0.120 in 0.015 increments)

Sights: Rear                                         Aperture:              Mk1 Vertical Leaf, screw adjustable for ranges from 200 yd to 1300 yd with battle sight,

                                                                                                Mk 2 L Type, double aperture 300 yd and 600 yd,

                                                                                                Mk 3 Vertical Leaf, slide adjustable for ranges from 200 yd to 1,300 yd with battle sight

Sight Radius                                        28.75

Trigger pull: First Stage                   3 to 4 lbs.

Trigger Pull: Second Stage              5 to 6 lbs.

Ammunition                                         MkVII Ball or equivalent

Muzzle Velocity (MkVII Ball)          2440 fps

Maximum Chamber Pressure          48,000 CUP

Maximum Range                         3,000 yards

Maximum Effective Range             550 yards. (Maximum effective range is the greatest distance at which a weapon may be expected to fire accurately to inflict casualties or damage)

 

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Rifle, Short Magazine Lee Enfield

General Specifications

Weight                                                  8 lbs.  10 oz

Weight w/Bayonet P1907                  9 lbs. 15 oz.

Length                                                   44.5 inches

Length w/Bayonet P1907                  62 inches

Length of Barrel                                 25 inches

Caliber                                                  .303 British

Chamber Length                                 2.222 inches

Rifling                                                   Five Groove

Rifling Twist                                        Left hand, one turn in 10 inches

Type of Operating mechanism          Lee action, hand operated, rear locking lugs

Loading Device                                    10 round, detachable box magazine

Sights: Front                                        Fixed blade, multiple heights (9 sizes -0.030 to +0.090 in 0.015 increments)

Sights: Rear                                         Adjustable U groove tangent, graduated from 200 to 2,000 yards

Trigger pull: First Stage                   3 to 4 lbs.

Trigger Pull: Second Stage              5 to 6 lbs.

Ammunition                                         MkVII Ball

Muzzle Velocity (MkVII Ball)          2440 fps

Maximum Chamber Pressure          45,000 CUP

Maximum Range                         3,000 yards

Maximum Effective Range                 550 yards. (Maximum effective range is the greatest distance at which a weapon may be expected to fire accurately to inflict casualties or damage)


     As you can see the #4 could handle higher pressures than the Mk111 ,which  was a advantage  with Cordite Ammo which suffered pressure differences in Tropical conditions
(not that this was a major factor )  The Quantum Leap in the #4 (to me at least ) is the addition of the Aperture sight system over the standard  'V' type sight !This allows the Soldier to pick up two or three Humanoid Targets at once rather than picking only one at a time & having to search for further targets, now whilst  this only takes seconds .....but it gives you the slight edge over the other guy (unless his also using a aperture sight )

      Now as for R.O.F Maltby ?  the Factory Markings can be  R.O.F.M, O.F.M , R.M or M (in the case of your rifle )  It is well to note though that BSA  can also be found with  M47A ( Small Heath  Birmingham ) or M47C (Shirley  Birmingham ) Confusing ain't it ????? The 'A' Prefix  would be a Inspectors mark  from that particular factory .

    Just one other thing ! The Bolt does not match the Action as the serial Numbers differ ,so I would be checking the Head space before firing this rifle! 


          Dave  

 
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not to disput a single word above , daves data is excelent ,
 
but rather to clarify the serial numbers were "assigned" to the various producers ,
 
maltby was assigned 10000-19999 and assigned perfixes of single letters A-Z and double letters AA thru BZ  ,
not all were used but maltbys fall within these limits , matby was producing in about the AG thru BL range in 1943 ,
 
your serial number appears to be prefixed AM in the correct numerical series , and it is in the 1943 range ,
your bolt is also in the AM prefix , but the number is off a tad but still in the maltby series ,
 
so---------the bolt and rifle were produced in the same time period , both at maltby , but two diferent rifles , you should be able to get it to headspace even if it requires a diferent bolt head ,
 
BTW that squigly marking above the prefix is the maltby "M" they didnt seem to use much care in stamping them
 
your rifle has the type II  300/600 flip backsight , and you did indeed get some nice looking wood on yours , the couple ive had over the years were no where near so nice ,
 
i think you did very well
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