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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Hey fellas,
I have a couple of SMLE rifles: A No 4 Mk 2 which i bought many years ago. It was unissued and packed in Cosmoline. I cleaned it out and it works fine. A friend many years ago gave me another one which I shot once and put it away in my safe. I just pulled it out yesterday and gave it a cleaning. It turns out it is a 1917 SMLE Mk iii* I found some videos online so I joined here to learn more. It is missing a couple of screws. One is in the bottom of the forearm. There is a recess in the wood which has a small spring but no bolt. There is also a missing bolt near the rear of the trigger housing. I think it might be something that the magazine might "hang on". Would someone please tell me what these parts are called? And where can I find them? Thanks!
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The screw underneath with the spring holds the barrel band in place. The band pulls the barrel downwards to dampen the ressonance of the barrel when firing. It may effect accuracy if it's missing. |
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Thanks for the reply. Searching again I think it's called the "inner band screw'.
However there seems to be a missing screw near the front of the trigger guard. It's not the one which holds it to the rifle. I did some looking around online and I think it's a "Type A" trigger guard. I don't know what the purpose of this missing screw is for or what it's called. |
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16186 |
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Yes the Inner band screw is correct. The other one in front of the magazine well is just a sling swivel, unused. It can be used for a sniper-type sling mount if you feel the urge but in service it was just used to tie the canvas breech cover in place & was replaced in the later models with a simple wire loop. ![]() |
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Is there a source where I can buy this swivel and screw?
I would like the rifle to be complete |
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be aware some of the mkIII* front vtrigger guard swivel mounts were not D&Td for the screw , its just a hole - i cannot say for certain from your photos , but may not take the scgew - should be same as for the front swivel band i think tho ,
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Long day today and just got home. I took one of the sling swivel screws out of the rifle and was able to thread it into the hole at the front of the trigger guard. So it is obviously drilled and tapped. Is there any link or resource that I can get this original part? The screw and swivel? also I found a diagram of the breakdown of the rifle. It shows the "inner band assembly". It looks like there is some sort of bushing or washer that sits below the inner band and on top of the forend. Then the spring and screw below that. It is listed as part #5. Am I wrong here?
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16186 |
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Yes its a collar, washer/spacer, coil spring & bolt. I found my swivel on a gun site, online & had to ship it from NZ. Your rifle is actually complete without one as they were ONLY fitted to target or sniper rifles. The mount had originally been for a regular sling swivel, identical to the other ones for cavalry (horse mounted) sling use & then removed. Try e-bay they pop up occasionally, look for "SMLE target swivel" there are several types so be careful. (you can not use a No4 one its a different thread.)
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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![]() ![]() Which type of washer was used with the inner band assembly? I have the spring in my rifle. Should I replace it anyway or just get the screw and washer? |
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Would the moderator please send me a private message and let me know why things are taking this long to post?
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16186 |
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Done. Sorry for the inconvenience its an anti-spam thing & will soon go away. I'm on here 2~3 times daily so I don't know how the long delays you're experiencing are happening. I remember approving most of these posts within a day, or at worst overnight.
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Shamu ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Logo Designer / Donating Member Joined: April 25 2007 Location: MD, USA. Status: Offline Points: 16186 |
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It should be a flat "spacer" if needed. (#5 in your drawing) Sometimes it is sometimes not. Its job is to space the spring tension so that it has a little "spring" left. This give is what reacts with the barrel via the inner band to dampen barrel harmonics without actually clamping down firmly. You can check if you need one with a simple test with a screwdriver. There should be a slight spring tension felt as you press the screwdriver into the slotted head. if it doesn't move its too tight back off about 1/8th of a turn & try again. This exploded drawing shows what happens on a rifle where you don't need the extra spacer. #37, 38 & 39. FOR A BIGGER IMAGE RIGHT CLICK, SELECT "VIEW IMAGE" THEN HIT THE "+" SIGN. ![]() |
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HangmanLI ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June 07 2018 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I got several spare parts for this rifle. I installed the inner band screw. As I understand it am I supposed to screw I’m all the way in and then back it out a touch until I can feel some spring with the screwdriver?
Have I got that right? |
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Homer ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 01 2013 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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The inner band screw is supposed to be screwed up tightly.
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HangmanLI ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June 07 2018 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I remember someone else saying that there was supposed to be some “spring” left when tightening up the inner band screw.
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Hangman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: May 29 2018 Location: Long Island, NY Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Shamu,
Didn’t you say that there is supposed to be a little “spring” left while tightening the inner band screw? Thanks |
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