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    Posted: April 07 2019 at 6:51pm
he!!o everyone. Proud owner of a few enfield rifles that I will sharing photos of soon. No4 mk1, no1 mk3, and a pattern 14. These were purchased by family members throughout the years. My first rifle was the no1 mk3 given to me by my grandmother in the early 90s. The no4mk1 appears to be a real sniper version so I will be asking for some help on identifying that one and estimating the value. Also of course I will try to help anyone I can with the information I know about these and other guns!
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Welcome to the Forum GCZ. I will look forward to seeing photos of your rifles.
If the No4 is an original Mk1 T sniper version; then you are very lucky indeed. The value of these has continued to rise in recent years.
Do you shoot them regularly?
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Holy potatoes, Batman!! You inherited a T - Sniper??!! Man, thats like being born into royalty!!
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welcome , looking forward to your posts , there is much interest in the "T"s recently , 
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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. I found out what I have is a  savage no4, serial 0C455x. It has been sportorized some time ago but has been in its current state for at least the last 30 years in the family cabinet. The front pad has been removed and top of receiver drilled to mount some sort of aftermarket rail. Matching bolt and clean 5 groove barrel. There is no "T" stamp on the receiver but there is "TY" which it assume is the remnants of "US Property" that has been machined away for the front pad which was also soldered on. Buttstock has missing cheek riser, no s51 stamp, and what appears to be a formal removal of the scope number (crossed out). Fired a couple times in the last 30 years, seems clean tight and functional. Let me know what you think.
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Thanks for posting the photos. It's a real shame that it was modified; but back in those days the rifles were cheap and many of them have had similar treatment. It would be worth trying to get it back to original spec. But finding an original scope will be dificult; The modern replica's may be an option.
Might be worth speaking to Brain d**k at BDL for advice regarding a rebuild and cost etc if you are thinking of restoring it. If not, enjoy it as is and shoot it!
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GCZ. That is not a TY but a TR and there used to be a cheek riser. You have yourself a (T) rifle. Brian D.i.c.k.,like Zed has mentioned  at BDLLTD can do the conversion back to original. The US PROPERTY  stamp will be on the top of the receiver in the spot where to front scope pad was. The T stamp you said you do not have would be at the eleven o clock position near the extractor screw. If it is an early Savage,(1941)the T was not stamped into the receiver. The barrel is still intact and that right there is awesome. MJ11 here has a couple of Savage T rifles that I am sure he would not mind sharing his knowledge about with you if you want to have it converted back to the original T rifle it once was.
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That's the type of mount I mentioned was very common in the 70's and 80's. I needed a hacksaw to remove in preparation for an Addley. It's always one of the three screws that is absolutely seized, in my experience. I would have drilled it, but wanted to be able to put vice grips on the end and unthred so I could put filler screws in.
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It's a Weaver TO1 tip off mount
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Devil spawn, Goosic! Second one I've have to use mechanical advantage to remove. Plus as requiring three D&T holes, might be an issue at resale.
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Thanks for the info guys. The rail is stamped t01. This was probably just a cost effective hunting rifle purchased by my grandmother at the time, without any collector significance. Finding original optics is probably out of the question, I would at least like to get a front scope pad with correct screws, remove rail and plug holes, and get correct stock parts. Do the aftermarket front scope mounts line up correctly to the orifinal H&H? Can I simply clean and reflux the solder, reheating to help mount the front pad or just let it bed in as is?

Are there any other examples of a crossed out scope number on the butt? I thought that was interesting when researching whether or not this was a scoped "T".
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I know on Amazon.ca you can buy repo pads, mount and Mk32 scope. RSM is the company. I believe the quality is quite good. For me in Canada, it was going to be about $800 CAD to my door. As far as mounting and sighting in, I think that's a whole different can of worms. Lots of guys on this site have done it and can go into detail. The install, sighting in, etc is above my pay grade (don't have the knowledge or tools) so I went the easier, but not period correct gunsmithless way. Good luck!
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Also. As I mentioned earlier, I just removed the very scope ring rail of a No4 the other day. Usually two holes parrallel to the barrel up front, and one on the charger bridge. As mentioned, usually one will be extremely tough to remove, in my experience. Take your time! Lots of masking tape in case the screw driver slips! Although the screw is recessed in these rails. Flat screwdriver, mine was. I hate those. Only good for opening paint cans, in my opinion.
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The pictured reproduction scope,scope mount,pads and screws came from Numrich Gun Parts. It is a direct swap with an original. 
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What's a rough value of this no4 T in its current condition? As much as I would love to restore it and keep it, I just may be more interested in buying some other modern weapons with what I could make off the no4. It really doesn't have any sentimental value to me and like I mentioned before was probably just purchased because it was a cheap option at the time. Apologies if I offend anyone, but I am torn between restoring or selling as it sits.
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Honestly GCZ. In its current condition, maybe 450-500. It is missing quite a bit of what made it a T rifle
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