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I hear ya.  Some times I ask myself “am I having fun”?  95 deg out wearing a heavy shooting coat, heart is pounding, sweat dripping down your glasses, laying on the concrete, doesn’t sound like much fun.  Thankfully, the firing point is covered, no way I’d do that out in the Alabama sun in July....

I guess I do it for the sport, I must have a competitive streak in me.  


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I used to be extremely competitive and can be still if presented with a challenge like the CMP matches that were here back in March. However, I like being able to walk a target out to 100 or 200 yards,walk back to a bench or just lay down on the ground next to the bench,take my rifle of choice,and then shoot the center out of the target. I am not a speed shooter unless it is a deer running full tilt away from me. When I go to the range I like that I am not rushed or timed. I also like using my PH bipod. It removes most of the vertically displaced shots I generate from time to time and let's the rifle do what it is intended to do minus the human input. I understand the want and desire to prove to yourself that you can shoot a weapon unsupported and hit a target but, after a spell you get tired and frustrated because fatigue is setting in and your groups become larger and larger and you end up going home feeling defeated.  I used to be that person. I would blame the rifle or the load or something that did not involve me when in fact it would most often,be me. When I take the Faux T rifle out,I use sandbags fore and aft,sometimes integrating the sling as well. I use that setup to my advantage because, why not? I can fire a weapon unsupported in the prone position,kneeling, sitting, or standing,using just my elbows,with or without a sling. I was trained to shoot with every discipline in place. I have learned that you can still use those ingrained techniques while recreationally target shooting without all the mess of overthinking...
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You're not too far from where I (mis)spent a good part of my teenage years.
Between Cefn Rhigos & Penderyn (on Halt Rd.)
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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 To follow on Goosic’s point that errors are caused by the shooter and not the rifle and load (for the most part, this is true, although rifles and loads can be problematic), this is very evident when shooting in the standing “off hand” position.  I think most hunters can competently take a deer in the standing position without any support at 100 yards, or even 200 yards and get “minute of deer Accuracy”.  But, try 10 rounds standing, aperture sights, and compare to the Targets we shoot off the bench with scope, you will most likely see a considerable difference in the size of the group.  

When you first start doing this you notice the front sight won’t even stay on the target, you try to time the trigger/striker release, “sway and pray” we call it.  It’s very frustrating.  But, as in all things, practice, practice and more practice, will build the skill.  

In my first matches I was thrilled when I could get all 10 Shots on the target!  But I kept working on it, and now the goal is all shots in the black 9 ring on the SR target.  I sometimes will throw one out of the black and know I did it without even looking at the target.  Last Friday I shot a few standing position strings after finishing all my prone load tests with IMR 4064 and N140.   After five shots I noticed all were in the 10 ring.  I stopped, looked at the monitor and thought this is a first for me, and might look like a decent group shot prone with a sling.  The 10 ring is 7 inches on the 200 yard SR target (3.5 MOA).  And no, I couldn’t keep that up for the next five shots...  Here is where the CMP Vintage matches are won and lost.  



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We were taught to "make a "D". The idea being that moving muscles don't strain as fast as ones locked in a single position.
Here's how it (supposedly) works.
your actual POA is the bottom of the "D" where the vertical straight meets the curved part of the "D".
You aim there & fire when it looks good. Recoil brings the sights to the top of the "D" then you make a short curved downhill back to the bottom again, ready for the next shot.

Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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 Shamu, the CMP standing slow fire stage is single shot only, no rounds in the mag.  

I will typically bring the rifle down after every shot and rest the butt on a chair in front of me, rifle muzzle pointing upwards.  Take a few slow breaths, relax, then pick the rifle back up in a low carry position, load another cartridge, bring rifle up to the shoulder, muzzle elevated, then slowly lower muzzle until sights are aligned.  If you don’t take the shot in a few seconds of getting sight alignment I find it best to start over, take the rifle down, otherwise a wild shot is likely.   We have 60 seconds per shot in standing slow fire.  But the principles you described are at work here, most people cannot hold the rifle steady for more than a few seconds.  

Our Service Rifle matches evolved over time such that they no longer resemble military use of rifles in combat.  It’s become a sport with its own rules.  For example, the shooting coats we use give much more support than a combat uniform does, particularly in the standing position.  My standing score went up 10 points after I got a “proper” shooting coat.  

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Ahh. I walked a way from formal competition many years back.
About the time the ISU got "absorbed" by the Olympics.
I like to shoot in a competition, but right after that change it stopped being that.
I miss to old "postal match" seasons, where at the end of the year you finally got to meet the shooters you'd been competing with most of the year.
Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. (Unofficial motto of the Royal Air Force)
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