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    Posted: February 15 2021 at 4:37am
he!!o Everyone,

I am a Dutch Lee Enfield Collector and new to this forum.

Here a short list of Enfields i Own.

No4 MkI/2 - 1942
No4 MkI - M47C - 1943
No.4 MkI T with No32 MkIII scope - 1944
No4 MkI* - LB - 1950
No4 MKII - Fazakerley - 1955
No4 MkI* - savage (but marked F.R. 1963 R.F.I. probably used by India after WW2)
No4 amunition test rifle as used by Dutch AI and Army
No8 MkI - F51 - F.T.R. UE 63
L39A1 - SN A188 - 1969
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I can’t speak for everyone here but your collection is quite interesting. Welcome aboard from SW Ohio.

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Welcome from British Columbia, Canada! Great collection you have there, hope you can provide photos for us, we LOVE photos here! The Dutch and the Canadians share a very special bond. I am sure you know of what I speak. Be well and welcome again!
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Welcome from Brandon, Manitoba, Canada!
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Howdy from Phoenix Arizona and welcome to the forum...
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welcome , looking forward to seeing some of that , 
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Welcome from North Carolina.
Always looking for military manuals, Dodge M37 items,books on Berlin Germany, old atlases ( before 1946) , military maps of Scotland. English and Canadian gun parts.
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he!!o and thank you all,

Here is a picture of the Lee enfield rifles.

besides enfield i got a couple of Mausers and P17 and other rifles.

But Lee enfield is the main thing i collect. and always on the lookout for other Lee Enfield rifles to add to my collection.


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Welcome from Paris France. 
Not such a "short" list! A nice collection by the look of it. Please post photos and range reports when you get time.
Are the shooting ranges open in the Netherlands? We've not had much chance to shoot recently!

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Please tell us more about the bottom one in the rack.
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Welcome from Atlanta, GA.

Is the heavy barreled rifle with the very short forend the Dutch Army .303 ammunition test rifle?  
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just for the record - we are sticklers for correct nomenclature here , 

you either have a P[pattern] 14 british 303 riifle (possibly a pattern 13) or you have a 3006 M[model] 17 US rifle , there is a big difference here even tho they look identical they are not , its a whole nuther area of collecting that overlaps the two , commonwealth and US ,  because of US manufacture , 

FWIW the Pattern 13 was only manufactured by vickers for the brits as trials , but the bayonets still wear the P13 designation , the war changed a lot of things , 
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Originally posted by britrifles britrifles wrote:

Welcome from Atlanta, GA.

Is the heavy barreled rifle with the very short forend the Dutch Army .303 ammunition test rifle?  

Yes the heavy barrel one is a ammunition test rifle. It was used by AI and the dutch army.
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Originally posted by A square 10 A square 10 wrote:

just for the record - we are sticklers for correct nomenclature here , 

you either have a P[pattern] 14 british 303 riifle (possibly a pattern 13) or you have a 3006 M[model] 17 US rifle , there is a big difference here even tho they look identical they are not , its a whole nuther area of collecting that overlaps the two , commonwealth and US ,  because of US manufacture , 

FWIW the Pattern 13 was only manufactured by vickers for the brits as trials , but the bayonets still wear the P13 designation , the war changed a lot of things , 

I know the difference between those rifle. The P14 also known as No.3 because it is No.3. If we like to use correct termsTongue. No.3 MkI No.3 MkI* or No.3 Mk2. 

Yes and no. To be fair i own a couple of US model of 1917. As same would like to believe is the correct name.

But even the US do have manuals where they use P17 in the name itself or even other countries who used both P14 en us model of 1917 used P17 for short. So telling about correct naming of firearms is only from the view you are watching.

US model of 1917 and P17 refer to the same firearm. And are both correct names.

See picture below. Manual of rock island arsenal 1943. I might be blind but do the americans call it a P17 here? So if it is used in a restriced manual used by the military then it must be a term they use or have used in that time period. Dont get me wrong us model of 1917 is also used in this manual but stil. I personally don't like that name.LOL


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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

Please tell us more about the bottom one in the rack.

Tell me what do you wanne know? it is just a No.8 .22 trainer.
nothing special. atleast not for me.

or did you mean a different rifle?
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Nope thats the one.
Rare as chicken's teeth over here as very few were imported.

Incidentally, theres a raging argument going on about the "correct" terminology" for the No3 rifles.
One camp swears the P-13, or 14 (Pattern 14) is correct for the rifle in .303 British, but M-14 (model of 1917) is correct for the U.S. 30-06 version.
Your manual cover will fan the flames I'm sure!
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