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    Posted: March 03 2021 at 12:00am
Howdy,

I recently picked up a 'sporter' Enfield. The seller said it saw South African service due to the markings, but looking at it, I'm having trouble making heads or tails of a lot of it. Some of it I do know from research, but others are lost on me.

I know it's a 12/48 ROF Fazakerley manufacture with a '0' bolt head. The receiver and the magazine match, but the bolt does not.

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He bought it at a pawn shop without any sort of sights or scope on it as is. It was spray painted at some point in time. He partially restored it with the proper rear and front No 4 Mk 1 sights. I got the rifle, 8 stripper clips, and a box of Remington 303 ammo for $200.



Markings on the rear of the bolt handle. This does not match the serial number to the rifle. The '9 1' seems to have been added at a later time. The 'A' actually looks like it is an upside down V instead of an A.


There is a number stamped on the side of the barrel over some kind of marking. The number is hard to make out, and I can't make out what the stamping is under the number. The number reads '69XX5', the XX is illegible.



That is the underside of the barrel. It's stamped '56/2391'. The '5' is there, it is just hard to make out because of the paint.



That is the receiver crown and top of the barrel. The receiver crown has an arrow inside an upside down U. Beneath that is an 'A' that is slightly crooked. The top of the barrel is stamped '5.72' over a crossed rifle and pitchfork with 'S' on one side and an 'A' on the other. Above those stampings, is a 'U' over two crossed flags over a 'P'.



That is on the right side of the 'ring grip'. It's a chevron, over a crown, 2 tiny markings I can't make out, over what I believe is an L7.

The last markings are on the left side of the barrel. It's an upward arrow over a 60, but the 60 has an open bracket on top of it and a close bracket beneath it.

The importer markings are on the left side of the receiver, and are '303 British' over United Kingdom over IAC Alex VA.

What is going to be the best way to remove the spray paint without harming the finish any more than it already has? Anyone have a source for a complete stock set? I've found all the individual parts through various retailers online, but I'd prefer to get it all in one go instead of having to piecemeal it.

Thanks,
-Rudy
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OK , the "U" arrow indicates SA service , 

please note - they are chargers not stripper clips here , i think you got a good buy on that sporter , it looks intact enough to restore to military if desired but should serve you fine as a hunting rifle as well , 

OH - edited to welcome you to the site , others will be along to give you more as they study what my old eyes fail to reveal , 
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A couple of things.
Firstly the black paint looks like the original finish to me, maybe just keep it?
I also see traces of the khaki rustproofing paint near the breech. If it is the original "Suncorite" paint removal is a bear, that some tough baked on enamel.
Secondly you say "no sights", but I see what looks like a "singer" type milled rear ladder sight with a peep but its folded down?

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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

A couple of things.
Firstly the black paint looks like the original finish to me, maybe just keep it?
I also see traces of the khaki rustproofing paint near the breech. If it is the original "Suncorite" paint removal is a bear, that some tough baked on enamel.
Secondly you say "no sights", but I see what looks like a "singer" type milled rear ladder sight with a peep but its folded down?


I plan to keep the original black finish.

The khaki paint isn't rustproofing or enamel, it's tan spray paint. I can scrap it off with my thumb nail, and the inside of the ATI sporter stock has it as well. It looks like 'Bubba' sprayed the rifle while it was in the stock as the paint had pooled on the inside of the stock as well as part of the inside of the magazine.

The seller I bought it from partially restored it by adding the proper No4 Mk 1 front and rear sights, why you see them in my pictures. When he bought the rifle, it didn't have any sights at all. Sorry for the confusion.
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OK got ya.
If the bolt does not match there are a couple of things to check before firing it.

HEADSPACE, you'll need an 0.074" "FIELD" gauge. the bolt when gently closed with just one finger should stop before going all the way down.

LOCKING LUG ENGAGEMENT. Both locking lugs should bear equally & evenly in the action. (you can use magic marker to test this, just put a little on the front & rear faces of them & open & close the bolt a couple of times, roughly equal amounts should be scraped off. It doesn't need 100% engagement but some & equal are needed.

FIRING PIN PROTRUSION the pin in the "fired" position should be between .04 &.08" proud of the bolt face.

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Shamu, firing pin protrusion should be 0.040" to 0.050" - 0.004"-0.008" would barely dent the primer.
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Yepper. Sorry finger trouble

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Originally posted by Shamu Shamu wrote:

OK got ya.
If the bolt does not match there are a couple of things to check before firing it.

HEADSPACE, you'll need an 0.074" "FIELD" gauge. the bolt when gently closed with just one finger should stop before going all the way down.

LOCKING LUG ENGAGEMENT. Both locking lugs should bear equally & evenly in the action. (you can use magic marker to test this, just put a little on the front & rear faces of them & open & close the bolt a couple of times, roughly equal amounts should be scraped off. It doesn't need 100% engagement but some & equal are needed.

FIRING PIN PROTRUSION the pin in the "fired" position should be between .04 &.08" proud of the bolt face.


Rifle was already checked out by a gunsmith prior to my purchase. I reached out to said gunsmith and he confirmed he had checked the rifle already.

I still haven't been able to make heads or tails of a lot of the markings on it though.
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A lot of them will be inspectors marks, most of which are untraceable.
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