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    Posted: October 09 2013 at 3:03am
Went to a gunshow here in Michigan and this is one of the rifles that came home with me. The rifle on the left is one that I've had for a few years now. The one on the right is the one I just picked up.

The one I just picked up is a 1946 BSA Shirley. The metal bits all appear to be m47C and matching. The forearm though is a bit puzzling as I thought they would of been using the capped forearms by 1946. It's had a rough go but it cleaned up well.

The one I've had is a 1945 BSA Shirley. Everything on it matches and it's non import marked.

Just need a couple of Fazakerley carbines and I'd be a happy camper.


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I was found that in service (in the tropics / jungle) the capped forend trapped moisture and the wood rotted, it was made worse because No5 rifles were stored 'muzzle down' to avoid oil running down into and destroying the rubber butt-pad.
The caps were then removed as they came into the armoury. New No5's were then built without the capped forend.
If there was no stock of No5 forends in the stores the armourer would 'make them' from No4 forends
 
Any date & either with or without a 'cap' can be correct depending on where the rifle saw service.
 
Source of info - Captain Peter Laidler (UK's most senior armourer)
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I bet that stock has some stories to tell.

Nice find.
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congrats both look to be nice specimens 
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That's good information about the nose cap and it makes sense. This stock is a No.5 stock. Just checked it. Would be kind of cool to get a converted No.4 stock on a rifle.

The handguard is rotted out around the knox form and the only thing holding it under the handguard ring is two tiny tabs of wood so looks like I either have to get a new guard or make one from a no.4 guard.

Possible that this rifle was used in the post war Malayan Emergency? Definitely a lot of moisture damage in places.
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Definitely an option I think.  Borneo, Malaya, maybe Hong Kong...
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Shot it with some old Kynoch Mk7. Keyholed a few of them. Ill grab some more ammunition next time I'm in town and see what happens. Hopefully it was just the ammo.
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